by bite me 10 Replies latest watchtower bible
My question is ;
What kinds of information/lies was spoken at the last few meetings where an CO has appeared? My friends are acting a bit different. I'm just curious of what was said at these last few meetings they went to. All they said was "the usual" .
Its the same old, same old "bite me". CO's are always field service oriented.
They come in, make us feel guilty that we aren't going out in service enough, not enough hours, bookstudies etc, etc, etc. They constantly make us feel like we are not worthy, make us feel guilty. The make us feel that we are not serving God unless we go to meeting service, knock on doors with a sermon, place magazines. Success to them is all about the numbers. CO's come in, make all kinds of waves in our already complicated lives, (work for a living, time with kids, time with wife, household responsiblities, meetings 3-5 times a week, WT rag, KM, TMS) after all the stuff we do, they still come in and make us feel guilty. So yeah its the same old same old, thats why your friends are acting different.
I remember one idiot saying that a few in our congregation were not going to survive armageddon because they were not doing enough door to door work which just made me doubt that the Jdubs had the truth.
The truth is that the WTS. has and always will be a corrupt commercial venture that was deliberately orchestrated with the intension of utilizing and manipulating the belief in
the Bible to market its published literature. There is nothing spiritual or righteous about that is there, they indeed use mind control techniques on the people that get
interested in them and eventually get them to promote their sales. To me its just commercialism with a religious flare, thats all.
Circuit Overseers are just are middle management marketing executives for the Publishing house, and that is essentially their responsibility within the organization.
1st post guys...but let me tell you my dad was one of the top elders in my state. in face we originated out the 1st spanish congregation in the state..my dad cast a big shadow that i could never live up to and neither did i care to live up to. i never felt anything spiritual going to the kingdomhalls, not once..in fact, it made me wonder too much about it..very controlling, lots of hidden secrets that i pickedup on, people getting molested and nothing done about it (boy i wish i could tell you that story)..anyways, lets get to my 16year of life, one of the elders during a thursday metting pulled me into a meeting room and told me 'brother, we have been praying to jehovah and feel he has told us that you will be a good ministerial servant'...First of all, jehovah would have known my a&s was never ready for it at 16y.o - too big of a responsibility for someone who has little experience in life (i guess you can look at it this way WE GOT YOU SUCKA early), but I shot him down - I said "sorry but I am not ready"..it did not take even a second for that response to shoot out of my mouth, the elder was shocked, he said "but your Dad will be a good instructor in helping you", I said "its not my Dad job to decide for me, this is my decision - ALONE"..he went back and told my dad, and my dad ripped me to shreds, i was in tears but never took it still even under adverse pressure. That same night, 2 other brothers were named ministerial servants, the prodigy son of the great elder of the congregation will NOT be named..oh can you hear my Dad..he came comparing them and putting them on a pedestal, for a whole year he bombarded me. i left home before my 18th birtday, i suffered for it, lost all my friends, i even went to an assembly meeting and brothers and sisters where hugging me..and you know what..i never missed it, never missed them..i left that day, I never went back to it..it took me 20 years to find the real GOD that i was searching for..here is how that goes in the last year, now 37y.o, i started reading the LEFT BEHIND series from Tim LaHaye (awesome fictional books about the end of times), here so mad about everything with me at the JW and never being able to move on, wife begged me to start searching for GOD..i got really into the books, i was IN...but did you all know i was a self proclaiming agnostic, thats is how brainwash i was, either i was going to believe in Jehovah as JW believe or id rather slit my wrist and call myself agnostic..few months past and i read all 17 books, then there was a father of my sons bestfriend, always invited me to his church..i tried many but none did nothing to me, i never truly let go the fear of becoming a JWApostate..this time i went in with an open mind..in the 1st 5 minutes of going, i felt something, nothing i never felt before, a calmness in my heart, like it was HOME to me...ever since that day, i read the bible, I test it..i tell the pastor about my testing and questioning..and instead of doing what my dad did, with ignorant comments and never really helping me - understand me..he said ASK away, i wont know all the answers he said but i will search endlesly with you...we bring all kinds of bibles to the church, never do we solemnly have ONE bible fitted church..Brothers, i tell you, i never have felt that moment before anywhere. GOD is calling us, to get out while we can, he is opening up our eyes, our ears are hearing better.. HE says to me - TEST ME - ASK ME - my words are infallible - and questions have been answered. let me add one more piece...during this transition, my marriage was so so..i prayed to GOD, help me, give me a sign that you are with me.. I heard him say go get your wife a bouquet of yellow flowers, and make sure when you go home your kids are with you...so in search, late in the evening i went, i can not find ONE floral shop, so i prayed and i said to GOD, am i just making this up as I want?? then I told GOD this is the last place i will go and i will go on FAITH...here is where i get chills: i get out of my car, the store that i went next to and i have never been even in this place, was a CHRISTIAN book, store that its called FAITH christian books store..okay???? next, I go to the store and there is one 1 bouquet of yellow flowers - okay? next, i go home, didnt even have to take the kids,they walk in the room with me and my son says "Mom wake up - look what WE got you" and thats how a REAL GOD opens your eyes and heart...here i am a fool to him, cursing him out because i was so hurt about how me and my dad went down. 20 years of loniness i felt, my dad not in my life, casted from the family..My dad said "you are disowned to me"..the shunning began..just to know that the Lord was just putting me where he always wanted me to be..20 years of detoxing from that place..mind job after mind job..if i asked anything that was out of the norm..i was AlWAYS wrong to ask.. folks there is only one way to the LORD, no man or religion will save you..Only the Lord our God can...i do things for GOD because I love GOD, Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved
Dear Mog -
WELCOME!
Thank you so much for sharing your story. We all bring our grief with us when we come here. It lightens our load. But the building up of faith is what fills the void we are all left with. Looking forward to many more posts from you.
Malinda (MMae)
I remember when I was in, the hounder-hounders were always discussing about how we need to go out in field circus more. And, while out in field circus, could you take fewer of those damn coffee breaks (I guess they need it for the Worldwide Pedophile Defense Fund more than Starbucks needs the money). Warm-up breaks are also too frequent and too long (after all, it only takes two seconds to warm up after being out in -50 weather/80 MPH winds).
They were also harping about missing the boasting sessions. People need to show up 15 minutes early (the servant/hounder body needs to be 20 minutes early) and stay 20-30 minutes or more late. Missing the boasting sessions without a good reason amounts to disfellowshipping the Christian congregation (OK, I did disfellowship them for initiating the use of force, threat of force, coercion, and fraud). Preparing for the boasting sessions was also highlighted.
And they hounded people to get rid of questionable entertainment. The hounders were hounded to hound the flock to get rid of those record albums and tapes (and CDs), make sure people stay offline, the TV (Time Vacuum) was off, and that children did not associate with anyone outside the witless organization. It seems that every crackdown coincided with a hounder-hounder visit or a Big Boasting Session.
And, it seems it's getting worse this year. I have seen a few threads about explicitly telling people when it's OK to miss a boasting session (FFF, sick in the hospital, dead). They are also cracking down on independent research, college, and soon entertainment and relaxation. All the while, they want people to embarrass themselves by going door to door now that it is public knowledge that the witlesses have a major pedophile problem. For sure, I look for them to tighten the management even worse than the Kool-Aids are already doing.
It's GREAT to have you here, MOG !!!
I was inducted into satan's cult when I was 6 years old.
It took me 45 years to realise it is a lie.
When I finally went to church (I was terrified) I had the same peace in my heart within 20 minutes.
I thank Jesus every day for delivering me from bondage to the Watchtower Society and setting me free.
i always remember you would get one IDIOT after another. some were smart enough to learn from their mistakes (pity they couldnt see throught the brainwashing) and others were simply oblivious. I remember this one jacka$$ in particular,,,,,,,, he rolls in all holyier than tho and started spouting off his malarky about how if you go in service YOU DONT START YOUR TIME UNTILL YOU KNOCK ON THAT FIRST DOOR........ and if you drive for five minutes to the next house you stop your time for that drive........... he was summarily ignored except for the week he was there, and then you took no breaks or short ones...... but you still counted your time any damn way you wanted. the next co............ opposite...... said your giving a witness every time you walk into the break place and with him you didnt even have to stop your time. you had some that only had time for those rich folk who were greaseing their palms with gifts and the like.... and others that tried to work their butts off(usually young and new). even had one co that said since our cong couldnt possibly work all its territory in a year that we should make sure that the town territories were covered annually and if the rurals couldnt be they could get people to come there and help like they did with unassigned territory........... yeah right.
Welcome Mog, Hope to hear more from you. It's so sad what that cult has done to so many families. But we have to go on and hope others will see the WTS for what it is.
