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In defense of JW teachings.... Please allow me to correct you:

I noticed a number of fallacies with the 1914 doctrine. The 607 BC one is the one that's most blatant.

There is no way for you to "notice" that 607 is a BLATANT error. It is indeed incorrect, but not based upon their application, which is simply acknowledging the 70-year period of desolation in the Bible from the last deportation to the 1st of Cyrus. Their error is presuming the land was desolated from the fall of Jerusalem (year 19) instead of the last deportation (Jer. 52:30, year 23). So it is not a BLATANT, easily recognizable error. If you think the 587 BCE secular chronology is why this is a "blatant error" then that is old hat! Greek history research now proves that Xenophon added 58 fake years to the Greek timeline that is not corrected. Why do you think he wrote a history of Cyrus? He was paid off by the Persians to revise the history of Thucydides. Xenophon employed Plato, Aristotle and other students to accomplish this. But the revisions are easily corrected and the timeline reestablished with an eclipse adjustment that begins the PPW. So 587 BCE will fall when 56 years are removed from the Greek Period. Impact? Well right now per "The Delian Problem" Plato was consulted to solve a match problem, doubling the cube, to stop a plague in the second year of the PPW, now dated to 430 BCE. When the eclipse in 402 BCE is used to correct the timeline, then the PPW begins in 403 BCE. Plato was born in 428 BCE. So with the revised chronology, he is being consulted 3 years before he was born. When the chronology is corrected, he's 25 years of age. Your choice! Bottom line, the 1st of Cyrus corrects to 455 BCE, which is the true Biblical date for that even. When the 70 years are introduced, year 23 falls in 525 BCE and thus year 37 in 511 BCE. The VAT4956 has double-dating to 511 BCE for year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar, thus confirming the original timeline dating. So it's a done deal. You must UPDATE. Actually, you don't have to, but those of us who know Greek history will, of course, update and ignore any arguments remotely connected to the incompetent 587 BCE dating for the fall of Jerusalem at this point.

But, where does it say that we multiply the 3 1/2 Times by 2? I couldn't find that.

That's because it is IMPLIED mathematically. That is 3-1/2 times is HALF of 7. If you multiply 3.5 times 2 you get 7. The prophecy is about "7 times." So comparing 3.5 and 7 implies x 2. The presumption is that most persons would catch on to that a little sooner than you have. So now you know.

And, "a day for a year" is a very specific phrase that refers only to a specific punishment meted out when Moses would wander 40 years for the 40 days of rebellion. That has no other application. For sure, it is presumptuous to apply that to the present.

Geez! This is totally wrong. The "day for a year" is specifically found in Ezekiel 4:6 and is in the context of 390 days for Israel and 40 days for Judah! It does not reference the 40 days in the wilderness! Basically it represents the failed agricultural sabbaths, one every 7 years and one every 50 years. If you combine the collection "error" for all 12 tribes, add 390 plus 40, you get 430 years. Divide that by 7 and 50 and it comes out to the error period of 70 years for the "land to pay back its sabbaths."

430/7 = 61.4

430/50 = 8.6

Total = 70

If you double 430 to get 860 then add the 70 years to get 930 years, then you are looking at the period of 19 jubilees from the Exodus to the return of the Jews in the 1st of Cyrus. That is 19x49=931 years. So the "day for a year", again, is NOT specifically connected with the 40 years in the wilderness, and it is presumed it is applied to all the chronologies related in Daniel, including the "7 times" prophecy, the "1335 days" prophecy, and even the "2300 evenings and mornings" prophecy which rounds out to 1150 full days. IT IS NOT UP TO YOU TO DECIDE NOT TO APPLY THE 'DAY FOR A YEAR' TO OTHER PROPHECIES! It is a matter of testing that formula when applicable. Thus for the first coming of the messiah, involving "70 weeks" and 490 days, it is clear he fulfills 490 years from the rebuilding of Jerusalem in 455 BCE to the end of the 70th week in 36 BCE. So you are profoundly ignored here.

Then they messed up on the length of the "days". You see, most years do not only have 360 days. That is the number they use, which is automatically going to lead one to the wrong date. Most years have 365 days, and the average (including leap years) is 365 1/4 days per year. That lengthens each "time" by five years and the quarter.

Again, your ignorance of JW doctrine is showing. The Jews used a LUNISOLAR calendar. That means about every 3 years an extra month was added. Thus when calculating, 30 days are used for the month, and 360 days used for the year. But when counting out the actual years, the lunisolar calendar is used and actual adjusted solar years are applied. That this is correct is confirmed by the "70 weeks" prophecy, where the messiah is supposed to appear 483 years (69 weeks) after the "word goes forth to rebuild Jerusalem." Jesus was baptized in 29 CE, which means if you apply luni-solar years to the 483 years, you arrive at the year of 455 BCE for the 1st of Cyrus. That is confirmed by the VAT4956 which dates year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar to 511 BCE as well as 568 BCE, meaning the 568 BCE dating was a revised, fabricated date by the Seleucid Period. Using 511 BCE as the correct date, year 23 falls in 525 BCE, the year of the last deportation (Jer. 52:30). 70 years of servitude of those last deported ended the 1st of Cyrus, meaning in 455 BCE. So the VAT4956 actually confirms the Biblical dating of 455 BCE for the 1st of Cyrus. So we now have archaeological evidence the Bible's dating is correct, thanks to the VAT4956. And it is also clear that the "day for a year" formula is in place. But each is entitled to their own fantasy world. It's apparent to most, though, that all the prophecies are fulfilled as literal days and also as years in a greater fulfillment.

Assuming the 3 1/2 times are multiplied by 2 (which itself is fallacious), you arrive at 2,556 3/4 years, not 2,520 (and that again misapplies the "day for a year"). Starting with 587 BC, you would arrive at early 1971 as the starting point, not 1914! Did anything notable start in early 1971? I don't think so.

As I noted, 3.5 is half of 7, which is obvious to most people, so it is not "fallacious". 3.5 times is 1260 so double that is 2520. It's a simple observation to convert 3.5 to 7 by multiplying by 2. Funny, you're lecturing us on these JW issues and you are clueless as to the bases? Again, 587 BCE is a Xenophon-adjusted year for the NB timeline. Now that the Greek Period has been corrected with the removal of 58 fake years, 587 BCE is corrected to 529 BCE. UPDATE!

Perhaps whoever wrote that needs to go to first grade and learn math and science.

Perhaps YOU should learn how not to misquote doctrines of others and twist them into things you don't understand.

First question: How many days does a regular year have? A leap year? How often do leap years come up? Perhaps then they would come up with a better answer--and allow for that maybe they weren't supposed to multiply the "times" by 2 after all.

ALL good questions, except for the most important, which is: WHAT CALENDAR DID THE JEWS USE? At some point, in calculating and applying the years, one must consider what was customary among the Jews, right? They used a luni-solar calendar. Thus if we apply the 2520 years per Jewish traditional calendar, it is 2520 solar luni-solar years, meaning, regular solar years.

The PROOF that this is the case is in the results. Case in point, the second coming occurs 45 years after the return of the Jews to Palestine in 1947, which fulfills the 1290 days. The messiah thus appears in 1992. In that case, the 2520 years, if they are regular solar years, would date the fall of Jerusalem to 529 BCE. The VAT4956 confirms that because it dates year 37 to 511 BCE as the original dating. So it's confirmed.

NOW, if you have ISSUES regarding this, you need to look up "The Delian Problem." That proves that Plato was an adult when the PPW began. Right now the war begins in 431 BCE, 3 years before he was born in 428 BCE. When you RESOLVE this, then it will auto-correct the NB Period for you and you'll end up with 529 BCE for the fall of Jerusalem and 1992 for the date of the second coming, which corresponds with the cross-dating for the second coming via the "1335 days" prophecy, which does use the "day for a year" formula so that 1947 converts to 1992.

Everyone is entitled to their own interpretation based upon their own research. But now the anointed that has accepted the Bible as truth and thus date the 1st of Cyrus to 455 BCE, now have the secular understanding of how to correct the secular timeline, which must be done via the correction of the Greek timeline. Fortunately, it is not difficult to do and the alignment of an eclipse fixes the original timeline. So all is well. We know 1992 is the right date and those understanding the nature of the second coming got to see the messiah, plus the "sign of the son of man."

Bible prophecy, when correctly understood totally rocks!!! If you insist upon incorrect and outdated timelines, when one is less successful in understanding or seeing Bible fulfillment. Some of us insist upon remaining in the darkness and others come into the light.

JCanon

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