Two "Current" Truths that contradict each other

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  • Honesty
    Honesty

    Does anyone wish to compare and tell us how the Watchtower Society can maintain two conflicting doctrines at the same time?

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/153373/2804581/post.ashx#2804581

    January 15, 2008 Watchtower magazine

    Page 23 paragraph 16

    It seems, however, that not all who have been called to a heavenly hope since the 1930's are replacements for ones who have fallen away. Jehovah has evidently made sure that we will have anointed Christians among us all through the final days of this system of things until the destruction of "Babylon the Great." (Rev. 17:5) And we can be confident that the full number of 144,000 members will be completed in Jehovah's due time and that all will eventually take their place in the Kingdom government. We can also believe the prophetic Word that the ever-growing great crowd will as a group continue to prove itself faithful. Soon it will "come out of the great tribulation" brought upon Satan's world and will joyfully move on into God's new world.

  • Pubsinger
    Pubsinger

    I just posted my opinions on this in another thread!

    I think that they COUNT on their members not REALISING that they hold contradictory interpretations.

    I think that within the next 10 years WT will have "New Light" that the 144000 is actually a "symbolic" number

    Problem solved . . .

    Eventually they'll gravitate towards mainstream Christian doctrine.

    JW teaching in 30 years time:

    Christ will return and restore earth to paradise.
    Human life will always continue and originate from earth.
    Eternal life was not meant to be earthly
    Little flock was Jewish believers
    Other sheep are gentile believers
    At death the hope is heavenly.
    144000 (long forgotten) is not literal.

    Mainstream Christian belief in thirty years:

    See Above

    Somehow they'll still teach they are God's Exclusive Channel

  • JCanon
    JCanon

    Just in case someone out there is actually interested in REALITY and Bible truth.

    The 144,000 are all natural Jews, 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel. They make up the root of the entire Bride Class, depicted as a tree, but that root is only 10%. (Isa. 6:13) So the total number of the "heavenly class" is actually 1,440,000.

    JWs are CLULESS about this, but that was also prophesied!! In the parable about the vineyard workers, the first ones into the work are the ones who know ahead of time they get the "penny", meaning heavenly hope. The other workers work for "whatever is fair" during the work, meaning they expect to be part of the earthly class. But when Christ arrives and starts paying the workers, 77 years later (1 hour = 7 years, since 42 months = 1/2 hour; 1914-1991) then ALL of them get the penny. Essentially that means, if in 1991 you were actually paying attention and a member of the other sheep, you would have been invited into the anointed class, starting with the last in the organization going back to the first. This is something else JWs cannot explain. How is it that ALL the workers get the "penny" and thus ALL go to heaven, yet they claim they are the persecuted 11th-hour workers? So what? The 3rd, 6th and 9th-hour workers get the penny too! So who are THEY? They are EVERYBODY who is in the organization. EVERYBODY gets invited eventually into the heavenly class. BUT, they have to be awake.

    When the call goes out to join the wedding feast, many beg off. Further, the original workers depicted in scripture as the "ten virgins" who nod together just before the second coming, divide into two groups, the wise and the foolish virgins. So only half the public anointed associated with JW for the most part are considered faithful. The other half, worshipping the "FDS" God fail and become the grapes of wrath! So if it is any consolation, half the seats designated for witnesses are lost at the second coming, making room for many others "from eastern parts and western parts" to take their seats. Eventually the five foolish virgins do show up to get their prize but they find their seats have been taken.

    THIS IS HAPPENING NOW.

    The chronology will eventually be officially and academically changed. It's no secret any more than Xenophon revised the Greek timeline and that Xerxes and Artaxerxes were the same king. ANYBODY can investigate this. The VAT4956 includes 511 BCE for the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar. There is a reason for those two references in that text; it is because it was the original chronology. 455 BCE must be fulfilled by Cyrus, period. It was he who was prophesied to rebuild Jerusalem. Having noted that, once the chronology is corrected, the second coming will move from 1914 to 1992, period. Many will then want to get into the kingdom, but it will not be possible.

    And on and on.....

    Have a nice day, folks!

    Armageddon is on its way!!

    JC

  • Pubsinger
    Pubsinger

    I KNEW someone was going to say that!

    I was going to clarify that many believe that the 144000 are indeed literal Jews so therefore it is a literal number.

    So are you saying that only 144000 go to heaven - just not 144000 JWs?

  • VM44
    VM44

    The Watchtower is simply publishing empty words.

  • Hermano
    Hermano

    I don't know how they get away with this type of blatant bullmanure. Is it just me or are JWs more braindead than usual???

  • Witness 007
    Witness 007

    I hate eating leftovers!! They keep re-hashing the same old spiritual food.

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    So a JW is supposed to still believe that the 144,000 number is literal, but there will be 'extras' or 'non-replacements' of the anointed on earth, meaning perhaps there are more than 144,000 of the 'anointed class'?

    This is cultic cognitive dissonance at its finest. But it isn't the first time JW's have been asked to believe 2 distinctly different things at the same time. It is a ploy to make people lean on the WTS for so-called "understanding of deeper things". The WTS' version of straightforward communication ranks right up there with PT Barnum's antics, the money-grabbing public-fooling circus huckster. Their magazines equate to Barnum's circus sideshows.

  • freetosee
    freetosee

    So a JW is supposed to still believe that the 144,000 number is literal, but there will be 'extras' or 'non-replacements' of the anointed on earth, meaning perhaps there are more than 144,000 of the 'anointed class'?

    My understanding is that there will not be more then 144000 going to heaven, but that the completed selection of the heavenly class was not complete after all. Since there are so many jws claiming to be anointed (and it will be continuing, since the big A doesn't come!) it is difficult to explain how all the many new anointed are replacements for fallen away little-flock-members. The number of new anointed will soon amount to hundreds if not thousands. How can you claim to have a class of faithful and discrete, if as time continues thousands need replacement.
    The contradiction I see is the wt's given time for jah to seal the little flock. Is the sealing completed as the Climax! book says or according to the wt, does jah continue his selection until the end.
    I love how the wts keeps telling jah and jesus what to do .
    fts

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    Thanks for that clarification, FTS.

    So when the WTS taught that the sealing of the complete number of 144,000 was done in 1935, and anyone who came after were merely "wild branches grafted onto the tree", they were WRONG? I'm shocked, shocked.

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