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[h3]Here is the Watchtower's Official Explanations on the UN Scandal![/h3
The letter is, naturally - on the Watchtower Observer as well!
Yachyd Da
Kent
I need the new KM's as they come! Please send me scans!
Daily News On The Watchtower and the Jehovah's Witnesses:
http://watchtower.observer.org
so is it OK as a JW to read Playboy for the articles? They do good research you know...
"opposers"
"registration papers... that we have in file"
yeah right, the form to be filled out may not say much.
"any kind of privileges"
any volunteer to prove them wrong?
Note my library comments on the two other threads. I haved posted them here too so they don't get lost in the shuffle. I have also posted something similar to this on the big UN thread but because people may not look at the big thread or are confused about where to look for stuff (which happened yesterday), I have decided to post this topic as a separate thread.
There are two big lies that the Watchtower is going to tell the world as seen in the Gillies letter to the Guardian newspaper and the letter to all Branches. One lie is the "we didn't know the criteria" defence. The other lie is the "UN library access" defence. This thread shall deal with the "UN library access" defence.
The Watchtower is going to tell the Witnesses (and the press for that matter) that "the reason why the Watchtower, as an existing NGO, became "associated" with DPI, was that the Watchtower needed to use the United Nations' library for research material on health, social, environmental, population and ecological problems.
The Watchtower will also tell the Rank and File that the Watchtower had been using the UN library before 1991 without associating with DPI but after 1991 the Watchtower's access would have been denied from the UN library unless the Watchtower became "associated" with DPI.
So is this Watchtower explanation true or is this explanation false.
Well lets look at access to "The Dag Hammarskjöld Library". The link can be found here:
( http://www.un.org/Depts/dhl/services.htm#access
AccessThe Dag Hammarskjöld Library is a special library whose mandated role is to serve the information needs of United Nations permanent Mission staff and Secretariat staff; however, permission to use the Library is also given for short periods of time to advanced-level researchers (PhD candidates, authors, etc.) who have found that materials required to complete their research are unavailable at depository libraries.
Persons wishing to establish whether the Dag Hammarskjöld Library has the materials required for their research and to request application forms for access may contact the Senior Reference Librarian at the UN/SA Collection Reference Desk. Completed forms, together with required attachments, are forwarded to the United Nations Security and Safety Service for clearance and issuance of a pass. Owing to security requirements, the clearance procedure generally takes two to three weeks. A Help Line has been set up to provide guidance for external researchers needing assistance in tracking down information about the United Nations and its documentation.
Access to the United Nations Bibliographic Information System (UNBIS) databases is freely available through UNBISnet to any Internet user. For further information contact the Data Base Manager. Clearly after reading the above url you will conclude that this Watchtower's reason for "partnering" with DPI is false.
You can access the UN library without "association" to DPI. In fact I am not "associated" with DPI and I got the UN reference librarian to facsimile the 1994 Brochure from DPI (that outlines what NGOs have to do to become "associated" with DPI and shown on this thread and at Randy's and Kent's site as well as on the main UN thread).
Even worse is that the UN sends out all of its material it publishes to UN depositories. These depositories are so common that there is even one in my home town of Kingston, Ontario, Canada at the Staffers Library at Queen's University.
These UN depositories have everything and anything about the UN including the General Assembly's, Security Council's and ECOSOC's minutes, resolutions and reports. There are all the volumes of the UN Year Books, all the volumes of the UN's human rights books, volumes of trade books, economic books and population statics books. The UN Depository in Kingston makes up a huge area of the library at Staffers. And oh yeah, it contains some of those pesky UN DPI directories that list all NGOs too - hehehehe.
Also there is a thing called interlibrary loans. I use it all the time. This means my UN depository at Queen's Unversity can request any book or magazine from the UN library on a loan basis. Thus, I can access anything I want from the UN library through my library in town. And, oh yeah, I don't have to be "associated" with DPI either. In fact that is how I am getting my hands on the 1993, 1995 and 1997 UN DPI directories on NGOs - hehehehe - and the UN reference librarian even said to me it was no problem and it would take about a week or two for the shipment to arrive.
So if the Watchtower was supposedly banned from the UN library in 1991 the Watchtower researchers could have easily gone to any UN depository in the greater New York City area and received the exact same stuff as was found at the UN main library.
So is there any UN depositories located in the greater New York City area and close to the WTS headquarters?
Well a list of UN depository libraries near the Watchtower's head office is found here:
( http://www.un.org/MoreInfo/Deplib/usa.htm
New York State -- New York City
Columbia University (DL-173EX)
Arthur W. Diamond Law Library
(Attn.: Acquisitions Dept.)
435 West 116th St., Box A-6
New York, NY 10027-7297
Tel: +1 212 854 3743
Fax: +1 212 854 3295
E-mail: [email protected]
Internet: http://library.law.columbia.edu/
DL-173EX (Apr 1948)
Full deposit: Publications and masthead documents in English
Council on Foreign Relations (DL-203EX)
Library
58 E. 68th St.
New York, NY 10021
Tel: +1 212 434 9583
Fax: +1 212 434 9824
E-mail: [email protected]
Internet: http://www.cfr.org/public/
DL-203EX (Jun 1947)
Partial deposit: Publications in English
New York Public Library (DL-175)
Science, Industry & Business Library
188 Madison Ave.
New York, NY 10016
Tel: +1 212 592 7000
Internet: http://www.nypl.org/research/sibl/
DL-175 (Jun 1947)
Partial deposit: Publications in English
New York University (DL-500)
Elmer Holmes Bobst Library
UN Collection
70 Washington Square South
New York, NY 10012-1091
Tel: +1 212 998 2610
Fax: +1 212 995 4442
E-mail: [email protected]
Internet: http://www.nyu.edu/library/bobst/research/soc/un-govt/
DL-500 (Nov 1949)
Full deposit: Publications and masthead documents in English
St. John's University School of Law (DL-358)
The Rittenberg Law Library
8000 Utopia Parkway
Jamaica, NY 11439
Tel: +1 718 990 1896
Fax: +1 718 990 6649
E-mail: [email protected]
Internet: http://www.law.stjohns.edu/law/
DL-358 (Aug 1997)
Full deposit: ODS access and publications in English
So don't let the Watchtower fool you people into thinking that the Watchtower, as an existing Non Governmental Organization (NGO) needed to become "associated" with the Department of Public Information (DPI)in 1991 when regular folks like you or me can access this same UN information all over the world and at the UN library without being "associated" with DPI
hawk
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To know about the "PRINCIPLES GOVERNING UNITED NATIONS DEPOSITORY LIBRARIES" go here:
( http://www.un.org/Depts/dhl/deplib/i189a11.htm
I decided to quote this for you:
I. General
1. In order to make its documents and publications available throughout the world, the United Nations maintains a system of depository libraries to which such documents and publications are sent under the conditions outlined in sections III and IV below.
V. Extent of Deposited MaterialSo there is absolutely no reason to go to the UN to get research material on health, trade, social and population problems when other libraries carry the same stuff in the greater New York area.15. All depository libraries shall receive automatically, according to their needs, all publications offered for sale and public information material distributed free, if available in the official language of their choice. Normally, the entitlement shall be limited to material in one official language.
16. Those depository libraries that, in the opinion of the Publications Board, are able to handle a larger volume of material shall receive, in addition, all other generally distributed documents and publications of the United Nations - whether printed or masthead - if available in the official language of their choice. Normally, the entitlement shall be limited to material in one official language.
17. Depository libraries so requesting may receive selected series only from among those included under the deposit entitlement as described in paragraphs 15 and 16 above.
18. Depository libraries that can provide appropriate viewing facilities are entitled to a 50 per cent discount from the list price if they subscribe through the United Nations Sales Section to sets of microform editions of documents and publications.
hawk
this makes me sick.
Another cunning stunt from the Asylum For The Theologically Insane.
HS
Mannnnnn! I just love WT wording!
First paragraph: "This circular letter". Ain't that the truth! The WTBTS almost always involves circular thinking within their letters/documents/articles/way of life.
First paragraph: "You might wish to respond...." Yeah, right. Just come out and tell them to memorize the WTBTS circular letter of explanation and don't digress from the written script.
End paragraph: "When we realized this...." O my gawd! HOW did they realize this???????? By the work of a group of people who we know here! NOT by any work of the WTBTS or "faithful" jw's. (I don't believe that Zev constitutes a "faithful" jw?)
The WTBTS is just too cool when it comes to being a pompous, lying, hypocritical religion.
waiting
It's not even clever. Superficially, some dubs may feel OK about it, but many will be astonished that it's OK to visit the lair of the scarlet coloured beast to read its library.
Stephen Bates wasn't fooled by this, and refused to publish Paul Gillies letter as The Guardian thought it was a lie.
Englishman chuckling merrily.
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be....
Paragraph 3 is huge.
The WTS admitted the criteria was Big time wrong.
The WTS left themseves open to an attack if there was proof that shows the criteria was basically the same now (especially the supporting the ideal of the UN charter) as back in 1991/1992.
Well look at the INDEPENDENT proof found in the big threads.
The Oct 11, 2001 Hoeffel letter from the UN clearly explained what the WTS had to support the UN charter.
The 1968 Resolutions 1296 and 1297 of ECOSOC clearly outline the NGOs criteria that includes "Support the ideals of the UN charter"
The Feb 1992 United Nations Press Release that clearly outlined the criteria that includes "Support the ideals of the UN charter".
The Auguest 1992 United Nations Press Release that clearly outlined the criteriathat includes "Support the ideals of the UN charter" .
The DPI Directory of NGOs of 1999-2000 provides the criteria that includes "Support the ideals of the UN charter".
The DPI brochure for 1994 for NGOs provides the criteria that includes "Support the ideals of the UN charter" as well as NGOs must prove their loyality to the UN!!!!
The DPI brochure for 1997 for NGOs provides the criteria that includes "Support the ideals of the UN charter".
The DPI brochure on the internet for NGOs provides the criteria that includes "Support the ideals of the UN charter".
The 3 or 4 newpaper articles
The phone calls to DPI confirming what the criteria was.
And on and on and on I could go.
And keep this in mind. All of this information is INDEPENDENT and made by people who have no axe to grind with the WTS.
hawk
Hey Hawk and Waiting. Notice the carefully worded first paragraph. In other words, this lie supersedes all other lies we have told you thus far! Dino
