What makes a 'true' christian?

by Caedes 33 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • 5go
    5go
    the only way to love God more is to give our life to him, not in the sense of laying it down (we should do that for everyone) but in the sense of living every aspect of it for Him.

    Those are the words of every two bit dictator that has ever walked the earth. Give your life for god ( indirectly to the dictator ) and your fellow man ( indirectly to the dictator's cohorts ). The funny thing is if you don't live by the words and help your self out you and your friend without just giving your life up everybody lives quite happy.

    Also bravery isn't stupidly taking needless risks to help others doesn't help anyone. Which is what a lot of people following the words of god do. It might seem cold but one most step back and think things out before just giving ones life to help others. Two lives for one isn't a good pay off in the end it also shows a careless attitude toward the supposed sanctity of life.

  • My Struggle
    My Struggle
    The funny thing is if you don't live by the words and help your self out you and your friend without just giving your life up everybody lives quite happy.

    I didn't say that following that command is the only way to happiness, which you are implying that I implied by saying you can live contrary to Jesus command and be happy (did I make myself clear as mud). I know you can live a quite happy life completely without Jesus or His command, many atheist and people of other religions do. It is quite absurd to assert otherwise.

    Also bravery isn't stupidly taking needless risks to help others doesn't help anyone. Which is what a lot of people following the words of god do. It might seem cold but one most step back and think things out before just giving ones life to help others. Two lives for one isn't a good pay off in the end it also shows a careless attitude toward the supposed sanctity of life.

    Very astute observation, and like you said not one that many get. Which is sad.

    Agreed 100%.

    What you are saying also sounds much like act-utilitarianism. It has its logical loopholes, but many Christians would agree with not only act-utilitarianism but also utilitarianism as a whole. You might find it interesting that utilitarianism gets bashed in many philosophy realms as being simply a fleshed out Christian moral philosophy.

    You are asserting a moral structure that, as a fact, is seen as Christian in nature.

    So, it seems like we agree.

  • My Struggle
    My Struggle

    Mister Christian

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    1/2 oz Brandy
    1 oz Orange juice
    1/2 oz Lemon juice
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    1 tsp Grenadine

    Sounds a bit stout, but good. I think I will make one.

  • Barbie Doll
    Barbie Doll
    Following Him means...To love one another like we love ourselves and like Christ loved us. He loved us, so he laid His life down...we should have that same sort of love for all...gay, murders, liars, unfaithful spouses,

    Now I understand why Christian don't love everybody.

    Because they don't love therself.lol lol

  • LouBelle
    LouBelle

    I do not call myself a christian - I don't believe in conventional christianity - I feel they may be a little misdirected and get swept along with the masses. Their ""Saved"" philosophey irks me, but, in saying that there are a lot of good ""christians"" out there - nice people that believe they are doing the right thing.

    To call yourself a christian you need to be Christ Like ! Put off the flesh (not literally but in the spiritual sense of the word) as he did and live your life in the spiritual, showing love / respect to all and no matter what be true to yourself and your god.

  • Spook
    Spook

    If you take the historical issues that shaped modern society you will find that there were sincere, bible believing christians who spoke "literal truth" from the scripture on both sides of every issue. This includes slavery, women's rights, corporal punishment, the death penalty and intervention in warfare. If you take the the top political moral issues of our time you will find the same thing (stem cells, gay marriage, the Iraq war, abortion). This happens because the bible gives no clear answer on a single point of Theology. None. It never has and it never will. That's why the big monotheisms have survived so well. They're just vague enough to be unassailable by reason, just vicious enough to be seized by cunning and capricious rulers, and have just enough of an eschatological carrot to keep generation after generation plodding in circles of metaphysical nonsense.

    History is littered with the bodies of those who died for lies against lies right back to the original writings wherein you find....no clear understanding by the disciples themselves of important Christian principles. What's going on with religion now is what's been going on with religion for thousands of years. And while certainty certainly isn't possible, if we could say one thing for certain it is that no god has watched homo-sapiens suffer and die for 100,000 years before finally ameliorating their condition with a poorly documented human sacrifice in a remote part of ancient palestine, a sacrifice about which the quorum of dedicated believers has never agreed and never will, a sacrifice which has produced no meaningful observable result what-so-ever. An invisible god with an invisible solution to an invisible problem of his own invisible making.

    AND...you must love him.

    But from a less rant-oriented standpoint that even most theistic scholars on this board can probably agree to (and this comes from my Phd philospher roomates involved in translation work, etc.)...Much as it appears that the old testament has at least two traditions, the new testament seems to have an inclusivist message and also an exclusivist message. The confusion of trying to reconcile these produces infinite variations between the extremes. Secular critics like myself simply conclude that these were two distinct ideas. Much in the same way that some books indicate different leanings on the divinity of Jesus, the nature of salvation, and on and on and on.

  • real one
    real one

    Jesus said we are to love one another ,what does it mean to love one another? dosent it mean to help them any way we can?

  • real one
    real one

    Caedes- still waiting for your reply

  • Barbie Doll
    Barbie Doll
    Jesus said we are to love one another ,what does it mean to love one another? dosent it mean to help them any way we can?

    Real one----By calling people names, like Swine, Pig, Fool, Worthless, Crazy, Heartless, Cruel, Never do right, you call that love and helping them.???????????????????????????

  • Caedes
    Caedes
    Jesus said we are to love one another ,what does it mean to love one another? dosent it mean to help them any way we can?

    I would think you could start another thread on that subject and get plenty of takers.

    If you have something to add on the subject of why you feel the need to belittle others faith then I would be interested.

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