Had a talk w/ Dad and Mom - not my fault, hubby started it...

by cognac 12 Replies latest jw friends

  • cognac
    cognac

    First and foremost, I would like to say... I DID NOT START THIS ONE... HUBBY DID... lol

    ok, so anyways, if you've read any of my posts, he's very into this "holy ones being raised up" and not actually "fallen over from there tombs" as stated in I think Matt. ch. 27... I mean, to me, this is not a big deal, but for him it's this big, huge thing.

    So, anyways, we are at my parents house watching tv. So, he just brings this up... (he's brought it up to about 5 people that I know of in the kh)... So, he says how they were not dead bodies that rolled out of there tombs, but they had to of been resurrected... Then, proceeded to give his 10 reasons why this is so and the society was not right about this even after my dad told him that told him what the society said on the matter...

    Anyways, I interrupted and said that the society was not dogmatic on this. Then, my husband, without missing a beat says, "not if your reading the Greatest Man book"... So, I just said that you have to read all they have written about it to understand that they are not dogmatic about it... lol

    Anyways, my Dad can't argue... This is shocking to me...

    Then, he brings up that it wasn't speaking about the 144,000 that were resurrected when it said "holy ones"... We just looked at him weird and I said I didn't even think that because Jesus hadn't even died yet, but rather, it was a resurrection like that of Lazuras (imo)...

    Anyways, somehow this got into what the word Christ meant. I said (knowing I was wrong) that it meant only Jesus. He said I was wrong and then proceeded to even print out WT literature stating that it meant meant "annointed" or "messiah" but not necessarily Jesus...

    Meanwhile, I went to the diningroom to find a scripture that I was looking for on the computer, and my parents walk in and I heard my mom whispering "you have to talk with her" and my dad said "shhhh"... I think my dad knows where I am on things. I think he thinks that he can convince me that I'm wrong without getting me in trouble... About a month ago he said to me that he wanted to talk to me about some of my beliefs and the apostate websites I was visiting... I wouldn't meet with him and had my husband talk to him cause I wouldn't... He said "people were concerned"... oh, well, he couldn't do anything on heresay (at least he wouldn't.)

    Anywho, I asked regarding the prophecy regarding people stating that they were "the Christ". He said "that they thought they were" and then showed me the scripture in Matthew 24 stating that they thought they were. Then proceeded to tell me that you could use the word "annointed" instead of Christ, and that they were false...

    So, I looked at him like he had 10 heads and said that the scripture before stated simply that there would be some who "said they were Christ, do not believe them"... I have never seen this look with my dad before... lol - So, I said "there were going to be some who said they were annointed, do not believe them"... lol, I wish I had a camera for my dad's face...

    Then, he stated a few minutes later that Moses was "annointed"... As, if that was supposed to make any differece. Which clearly doesn't make a difference because of the time period this was taken place in and that when this scripture was written it was stated in a future tense... Anyways, I just gave him "that doesn't make a difference look" and shook my head and looked back at the tv... But, he was thinking a lot about what I said and couldn't say anything about it...

    Which, of course, led to the question about the FDS and whether I thought they were from God... I just dogged this question but wanted to state to him what I really felt... But, I just thought that there wasn't a better way for me to help them and other JWs to realize the truth about the truth unless things are brought out...

    So, there I stand, for now... Let's see how long I can take it, lol...

    (keep in mind, I did not start this one, lol)

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    It must be frustrating to be involved in esoteric arguments about hidden meanings in a 2,000 year old book? Who are the "holy ones"? What does the word "Christ" really refer to. Aaaarrgh.

    I don't know how long you can take this either! It must feel like jumping back on a rapidly spinning merry-go-round when you're still dizzy. You might need some time to let all this noise in your mind calm down.

  • dawg
    dawg

    You're about to reach the point of no return... what will you do, what will you say, when that same Dad you love do much quits associating with you because you've been you've been taken to the back room and Df'ed for apostasy? You, me, and everyone on this site knows this is where this is headed. And what will your husband do, what will he say? How are you going to handle all of this when it comes tumbling down?

  • llbh
    llbh

    I can understand what you are going through. My wife is a fervant JW i have long since given up on any meaningful and reasoning conversations on many things

    Regards

    david

  • cognac
    cognac

    Funny thing is, I've been very easy on myself... Not studying or anything like that, just talking when things come up. Anyways, because of my dad I do ? how the 144,000 are linked with the "holy ones"...

    Anyways, where does this take me??? lol, I don't care, I'm going to always speak what I want in a way in which I think will help people. I thought helping my parents was important, so I spoke... If this means I lose everything, so be it. I had nobody in my life before, I can deal with that... However, I will and have said, there are only specific ways in which I'll let myself go down... As long as it's for principals I really believe in and not something I can't argue, I'm fine with that...

    They are gonna have a difficult time with me... lol

  • cognac
    cognac
    You're about to reach the point of no return... what will you do, what will you say, when that same Dad you love do much quits associating with you because you've been you've been taken to the back room and Df'ed for apostasy? You, me, and everyone on this site knows this is where this is headed. And what will your husband do, what will he say? How are you going to handle all of this when it comes tumbling down?

    I can't forever live with what may or may not happen. I'll just deal with things as it happens... Other then that, I'm not to worried (today anyways...lol) But, I WILL BE HAPPY, no matter what things I can't control, I have to live with myself...

  • real one
    real one

    i applaud you for asking questions

  • dawg
    dawg

    Its going to be hard though. I just hope you can handle that.

  • tijkmo
    tijkmo

    whats the significance of you not starting it..

    what difference does that make?

  • TweetieBird
    TweetieBird
    Which, of course, led to the question about the FDS and whether I thought they were from God...

    That is the death question, as in getting cut-off from your family as if you were dead. That was the one that got us excommunicated from the family.

    There is a bright side, though...it has gotten us out of a family event that I was dreading!

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