PERSPECTIVE is largely a matter of everyday conditioning

by Terry 37 Replies latest jw friends

  • Terry
    Terry

    What seems normal and natural to us comes from what we are around every day. The things we hear and see are familiar. Even the wildest, weirdest things are commonplace when they are common around our place!

    In certain parts of the world, for example, people eat monkey brains by trapping a live monkey in a special table and then cracking open its skull and eating the contents! Yummy or disgusting? Normal to people who do it all the time; disgusting to the rest of us.

    This is true of the opinions we hear in our household and neighborhood and school and nation. Muslim schools in radicalized parts of the world teach their children to think of Jewish people as evil scum. Cartoon characters are employed to demonstrate this imputed evil. The child grows up with the very natural understanding that Jews must be stopped at all costs!

    For a Protestant, the Catholic lay person's obsession with seeing the "Virgin" Mary in rust stains on water towers or in the burnt side of a grilled cheese sandwich--as an example--the height of ridiculous religious mania seems evident.

    But, for the devout Catholic, reared on countless stories of martyrs, saints and intercessors, etc.---the beauty and awe-inspiring come natural in any report of the "Virgin" Mary appearing.

    What is my point?

    Imagine a time and a world in which there WAS NO JESUS as yet.

    The Jewish ethos certainly revolved around expectations of some sort of Messiah of some description.

    For the Gentile Roman--the everyday world would be filled with demi-gods, emperor gods, sacrificial ceremonies and placations, auguries, etc.

    The Roman could partly comprehend what Jews were doing in there Temple ceremonies if only because they themselves did something reasonably similar. Yet, to Romans, Jews and Christians (eventually) were atheist because THEY DISBELIEVED MANY GODS! That is what was shocking.

    Many came and went with claims to Messiah-ship. Reports of miracles were not uncommon. After all--why would anybody ever believe such a claim unless some magic, hoodwinkery, flim-flam accompanied the charismatic presentation of a candidate for Messiah?

    Jesus was believed by relatively few. After all, there had been plenty of Messiah-candidates before (and after) him. The role of Messiah wasn't a startling innovation. Things attributed to Jesus might stem from a need, desire or opportunity to convince a skeptical listener that this Jesus was in some important ways different from the others. Miracles, for example.

    With the "miracles" being described as so numerous the world could not contain the description--it makes one wonder how Jesus avoided being taken more seriously than his predecessors with their phoney magic.

    Who would be more disposed to believing him? People (groups) with a similar agenda. Yet, no group embraced him. Neither Pharisee, nor Saducee, nor the officials at the Temple were warmly predisposed. Jesus only attracted the odd man out like a Judas who may have been a radical Sicarii. Fishermen.

    Women were drawn to his peaceable message, certainly. Rabble. Prostitutes. Castoffs from regular society.

    Jesus spoke, attracted crowds, gathered twleve, performed miracles, got into arguments/debates, was arrested and put to death.

    Was any of this different from any other Messiah before him?

    LARGELY, THE CHRISTIAN MOVEMENT WAS THE RESULT OF STORIES CIRCULATED AFTER HIS DEATH.

    Were these fish stories? Exaggerations? Embellishments?

    Since we know there were many, many (later called non-canonical or apocryphal) stories or Gospels about Jesus--this would tend to prove that divergent, contradictory, embellished fancies became widely circulated.

    WHY? If there was only one real and true Jesus who only did real and true things---why so many contradictory tales about him?

    It is far more likely that each group who wanted or needed Jesus to fit a certain preconception model jumped at the chance to BRAND their beliefs as THE JESUS.

    By the time Constantine came along and Paul had a chance to embroider the Platonic ideal into the historical shadows of Judiasm--there were a hundred brands of JESUS and stories to match them!

    What Constantine and the power of Rome were able to achieve was the certain destruction of competing forms of Christianity by Edict, excommunication and the power of banishment.

    In the marketplace of religious fancies, the Brand that could wipe out the competitor was more likely to prevail.

    With the burning of competing Gospels and the banishing of so-called heretics---Christianity was fused into a single (bifurcated!) orthodoxy of Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox until Martin Luther came along.

    With the advent of Protestantism--the whole fracture and retelling started all over again.

    The result is every denomination of Christianity all over again.

    Walk into any Christian Bookstore and look at all the varieties of retelling and the CONTINUING REBRANDING of the Jesus persona!

    It never seems to end.

    Such is the power of myth. It fits today by changing yesterday into a more serviceable model.

    Your perspective has been shaped your entire life by your daily encounters and your indoctrinations.

    Your association with Jehovah's Witnesses and your disappointments have also shaped this view of who/what Jesus was and what you may need him to be (or not be).

    Is it possible--ever--to escape our perspective?

    Can we get a fresh and objective start on looking at Jesus, Christianity, other religions, or religion itself? Or, are we doomed to recycle variants, opinions, hearsays and prejudices parading as Truth??

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    another thoughful post Terry

  • daniel-p
    daniel-p

    Excellent post, and very thought-provoking questions. About your final question: I don't know. The "truth" of what Jesus entailed, or who he was, I think can never be uncovered. And perhaps that's the reason for continuing befuddlement of our purpose in life. Maybe if we gave up trying to learn the truth about God and Jesus we'll come closer to the Beings who we need them to be.

  • Terry
    Terry

    In discussing one of my favorite tv shows LOST, I came to the conclusion that our human brain wants to fill in any blanks with something--anything--rather than experience the ache of NOT knowing!

    There are so many wild theories about what is "really" going on on the island---that---I see a parallel with the Bible.

    So many people read into it rather than get from it--actual meaning.

    All the countless Christian denominations only serves to provide rather stark proof (of a kind) that there isn't anything actually there!

    The ache of not knowing generates our contribution and the rest is easy.

  • *Incubus
    *Incubus

    I really enjoyed this post.Thankyou Terry.

  • trevor
    trevor

    WARNING! - Terry you may need to have a bucket handy before you read this.

    The problem is using our mind in the same way all the time. Constantly analysing and examining what has been in an attempt to clear our minds of what has been is counter productive.

    At some point we have to sit and empty our minds of the thinking process and then observe what is left or, what fills the space that is left.

    This is called meditation. I know from previous posts that this is something you abhor Terry.

    Your existence has come to depend on out smarting the thought system that results in our perspectives, by being smarter than the average bear.

    This is a good and noble approach, but we only go beyond this carousel by going beyond our rational thinking process and the conditioning that it has caused in us. The very need to constantly analyse and quantify is in itself a conditioned perspective of mind use.

    When we empty our minds, something new arises which replaces our habitual conditioning and achieves a different perspective for us. This is something that can only be experienced and not taught but it requires the willingness to change our perspective about how our mind works.

    Trevor

  • Open mind
    Open mind
    Such is the power of myth.

    Amen Terry. Great post, BTW.

    Is it possible--ever--to escape our perspective?

    No. Not if I correctly understand what you're asking. I, a white, male, American, 3rd generation JW, will never be able to see things the way an Iraqi muslim girl does. I can try, but I'll never quite make it.

    18-22 yrs of parental/school/church/city/national/cultural indoctrination can never be completely undone.

    But it's always a goal worth striving for, IMO.

    Even if a couple of parents tried to raise their kids in a household that was non-religious, but not anti-religious, not overly judgemental but not naive, you get the idea. The children of that environment would grow up not being able to fully relate at a visceral level to what it's like to be raised a strict Catholic or JW.

    We all have our own unique set of filters through which we try to observe reality.

    That's the beauty of science. It can help remove those filters to a certain extent.

    Having said that I still find value in meditation and trying to silence the mind too. Call it mumbo-jumbo if you wish. It helps me.

    OM

  • jaguarbass
    jaguarbass

    One thing I notice about perspective is I become or believe whatever I think about.

    If I read material about evolution and an ancient earth. I start to believe it.

    If I read the bible and information about creation and a young earth I start to believe that.

    We become what we think about.

    Earl Nightengale sold a lot of self improvement material advocating that position.

    I like to know everything I can about as much as I can which makes life kind of manic.

    I find more peace if I believe in God and read the bible. But there are a lot of questions that come with that position, some unanswerable.

    If I believe in evolution and atheism I find some of the answers I couldn't find when I read the bible. But there is depression and hopelessness that come with them.

    Either way I have problems, anxiety and questions.

  • Terry
    Terry

    At some point we have to sit and empty our minds of the thinking process and then observe what is left or, what fills the space that is left.

    This is called meditation. I know from previous posts that this is something you abhor Terry.

    I remember reading in Oliver Sack's AN ANTHROPOLOGIST ON MARS about a young hippie guy who went to a Hare Krishna commune to peace out, meditate and find his bliss.

    He really wanted to achieve oneness and sublime attuning with nature.

    After a while he complained to his Krishan leader about losing his sight.

    He was reassured his inner light was growing brighter which was dimming his corrupt vision of the world.

    He gained lots of weight, lost his hair and grinned all the time. In the process, he lost touch with his family who wrote letters asking about his well-being. They were reassured by the Krishna leader that their son had achieved such a state of bliss that he had become a Holy One and quite an inspiration to the rest of those meditating.

    The parents were alarmed. It just didn't sound like their son. After all, he wasn't like that.

    They travelled to the commune and found their son all but unrecognizable!

    He didnt' seem to know them. He just grinned and chanted and sang Krishna songs.

    The parents removed him to a hospital and specialists examined him finding a grapefruit sized tumor in his brain!

    It was removed and found to be non-malignant, however, the damage done to his frontal lobes was irreversible.

    He had amnesia, had lost his sight and his short-term memory was practically non-existent.

    Why do I tell this story?

    I'll tell you why.

    Brain damage and blissful meditation seem identical to me!

    The mind is a kind of machine; a processing unit capable of extraordinary achievements. To empty it thwarts its purpose.

    Meditation and turning off one's thoughts is not an achievement. Sure, it will relax you. So will a grapefruit sized tumor. Are these really alternatives to explore for self-benefit?

    I think not.

    Smiling, drooling and utter bliss come at quite a cost no matter how you get there.

    Emptying my bank account of funds is not a credit to my intellgence any more than emptying my brain of thoughts. It is a kind of foolhardy extravagence.

    So, yes--you anticpated correctly how I feel about meditation. Good show!

  • R.Crusoe
    R.Crusoe

    Where does one go after equating intellect with aquisition ?

    The very notion of it rapes nature and enslaves the humanitarian!

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