Adam and Eve were NEVER perfect. (page 2)

Homerovah the Almighty

God realized Adam needed an companion when he caught Adam with a lamb wearing Velcro mittens

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I just found this old thread and gaiagirl summed up my current thoughts/questions very well.

I am curious to see other peoples take on the implications of this with relation to the NT and Jesus sacrifice for us.

Regard;ess of whether you think that Adam and Eve were literal or not, do you think that it changes the purpose of Jesus death? And what do you think the real reason for his death might be?

The Bible doesn't call them "perfect", at best they were consider "good", along with all creation. To be perfect, one must be tested and found complete. This wasn't the case with them. Even Jesus was said to have been "perfected" by what he endured during trial.

Rocky_Girl

I've come to view the Adam and Eve story as being like growing up and moving out.

First We are safe in an artificially nurturing environment where we play and eat and sleep, minimal work, and someone bigger than us takes responsibility for us and provides for our needs. *Garden of Eden*

We get older and suddenly we begin to learn what life is really all about and begin to make some decisions for ourselves. We develop our own tastes and question our parents ideas. *Tree of Knowledge*

We are encouraged to leave the nest and go to college or get a job or start our own family. Sometimes it is a good separation, sometimes bad. Our parents curse us by saying they hope our kids are just like us -crazy. *Leaving Eden*

We get a job (plowing for bread) have kids (childbirth) and deal with our own family dramas. Then we return to our parents for advice and continue a relationship that is more two-sided. *After Eden, ie Noah, Moses, etc*

The only thing missing is the spinning sword of fire guarding the parent's door. Though I glimpse it sometimes when my brothers ask to move back in -LOL!

This story tells about the journey of life. It has been embellished over the years, but teaches us how much growing up can hurt, but that we will survive. Also, to appreciate how our parents care for us as children so we can return the favor when they grow old. *ideally*

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donuthole

To be perfect, one must be tested and found complete.

So do you think the test was inevitable for them? So what was the end result? Were they found complete before they died? Or is it that we can never be perfect?

I know.....a million and one questions.....does anyone really know the answer?

Rocky_Girl Interesting idea...I am mulling it over.....

nugget

It has been hypothesised that the Garden of Eden Story does not belong at the beginning of the Bible with the creation account at all and that the story actually related to a later King and was around a time when the land was subject to invasions. Kings were directly related to setting up gardens as part of worship and had responsibility to ensure they were cultivated and cared for.

If it appeared later then the idea of imperfection would be immaterial since by that point in time many people had died already.

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20571 How do you get that eve was named after this? (Gen 3:15 does not say it)

I have another question if anyone is interested.....

Gen 3: 8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man, “Where are you?”

If no man has ever seen God.....Who is it that is walking in the garden in the cool of the day? Clearly this must show us that Genesis is not literal or.....that this is not THE GOD but an imposter.

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Yes 2057, but not because of what you said...

** She was named Eve AFTER sin, which led to the impregnation (EVE was thoroughly deceived*), Hence Seed of Satan, in part (Gen3:15).

Gen 3 : 20 Adam c named his wife Eve, d because she would become the mother of all the living.

Doesn't sound like too much of a punishment to me. Actually sounds like an honour.

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ok 2057...you are really starting to mess with my head...

Are you saying that Jesus is Michael? And Michael is also God?

Is this some kind of unique Trinity teaching?

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Actually 2057...it looks more like a quady teaching...since they are also Gabriel....

Adam and Eve were NEVER perfect.

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