Why Jehovah Witnesses teach a more biblical faith

by tralon 30 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  tralon

  Surprizeingly, I am not a JW but an observer and in partial agreement with the Jehovah Witnesses on many issues. I have been to many churches in my 30 years and have studied many church beliefs, church history and the bible as well. So why do I believe the Jehovah Witnesses are the one true faith of Jehovah God?
  
  1.They are united and disciplined from within. Protestant denominations are so divided and new ones pop up every week. There is no unity in beliefs in Protestantism. Also I like the discipline part of the Society. If you agree to be a JW then you should conform to the society's teachings and guidance or leave. There is no room for rebellion and that's the way it should be, if order and unity is to be practiced. I see on Youtube.com videos of apostate JWs who ridicule the Watchtower and the Jehovah Witnesses. These are the people who did not want to conform to the Society and so are rebellious and speak evil. I did not mention the Catholic movement because there religion is so full of false teachings it would take several pages to explain this, so I'll leave that alone.
  
  2. God cannot be a trinity, because God is simply monotheistic or a single deity. You can ask any orthodox Jew who knows the torah and he will plainly tell you this. The scriptures plainly tell us the Lord God is is ONE Jehovah. One does not equal three. It is interesting that the early church after the apostles believed that the Father was UNbegotten, while the Son was begotten and the Holy Spirit was the power of God. bur after the third century reign of Constantine and Athanatius this all changed by civil order.
  
  3. Also the bible teaches man is not naturally immortal, but mortal and waits in the grave til his change comes.So says Job. Somehow over the centuries Hades, Gehenna and Tartaroo got changed into another word called hell which now means an ever burning inferno, which NEVER conveyed that thought. How do these things happen, one wonders?

  4. I ask you, just who is knocking on doors telling people about Christ's coming kingdom and man's need to be ready for this change. The Protestant denominations? No.The Catholics? No.Only the Jehovah's Witnesses. So who is really preaching the gospel here?

  5.Lastly, do Protestants and Catholics as a whole live their faith, Or is it a once a week thing on Sunday morning and the rest of the week is business as usual? You tell me. JWs really live their faith everyday. By their fruits you shall know them.
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  oompa

  yeah right.......oompa

  oh and I suppose god would bless any religion that alters his word to mankind in ANY way? dont think so
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  Gopher

  So you're in partial agreement with the JW's and the WT Society? I only saw total agreement in your post.

  And further, you have painted many of us former Witnesses as rebellious evil-sayers who failed to "conform to the Society". That's a nice way to introduce yourself to this board !!

  Or didn't you know that the majority of people on this board are not JW's and are the ones you'd call "apostate"?

  Did you have a question to discuss, or did you want us to discuss/debate your 5 points? I happen to agree with you on points 2 and 3.
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  Quandry

  If you agree to be a JW then you should conform to the society's teachings and guidance or leave. There is no room for rebellion and that's the way it should be, if order and unity is to be practiced.

  Well, then, they will be glad to have you.

  But know this. If you read one day an explanation of scripture by the Watchtower Society, and the next day they change it, you had better be ready to accept the "new light" instantly while down playing the previous thought, perhaps even denying that it happened. This was demonstrated in 1975(and I know because I was a witness at the time) when they wrote numerous articles on the importance of this year, stating that young ones must face the fact that they would never grow old in this system, that this system had months, not years left, and more. Later they stated "It is to be regretted" (not an appology) that many were led to believe that this was the date of the end.

  IF you ever disagree with any action taken by any elder toward anyone in your family, or if you have a question in the future, you had better be careful. As you said, there is NO room for rebellion, and this is how they would view it.

  This is how they keep order and unity. By threatening shunning if you dare to question.

  As long as you don't, and practice conformity, you'll be O.K. Let us know how you do with this.
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  brunnhilde

  If you agree to be a JW then you should conform to the society's teachings and guidance or leave. There is no room for rebellion and that's the way it should be, if order and unity is to be practiced.

  I'd be interested to know what your thoughts are about people who are born into the Jehovah's Witnesses and never have any real choice in agreeing. And please, do NOT tell me that if you are surrounded by teachings and never given an opportunity to experience or learn anything else that criticizes those beliefs, that you are somehow still "agreeing" to be a Witness.

  brunn
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  R.Crusoe

  Tralon = if you want to give birth - talk to a woman!
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  jwfacts

  I am not a JW but an observer and in partial agreement with the Jehovah Witnesses on many issues. I have been to many churches in my 30 years and have studied many church beliefs, church history and the bible as well. So why do I believe the Jehovah Witnesses are the one true faith of Jehovah God?

  Why would you not be a JW if you feel it is the one true faith? I am very sceptical that you are not a JW, considering your points are filled with the generalisations, ad hominem attacks and inaccurate generalisations common to fully indoctrinated JW’s.

  1.They are united and disciplined from within. As are members of most cults – due to the leaders demanding unquestioning allegiance, despite ongoing doctrinal changes. Protestant denominations are so divided and new ones pop up every week. There is no unity in beliefs in Protestantism. Also I like the discipline part of the Society. If you agree to be a JW then you should conform to the society's teachings and guidance or leave. There is no room for rebellion and that's the way it should be, if order and unity is to be practiced. I see on Youtube.com videos of apostate JWs who ridicule the Watchtower and the Jehovah Witnesses. These are the people who did not want to conform to the Society and so are rebellious and speak evil. What an inaccurate and petty generalisation. I did not mention the Catholic movement because there religion is so full of false teachings it would take several pages to explain this, so I'll leave that alone.

  2. God cannot be a trinity, because God is simply monotheistic or a single deity. You can ask any orthodox Jew who knows the torah and he will plainly tell you this. The scriptures plainly tell us the Lord God is is ONE Jehovah. One does not equal three. It is interesting that the early church after the apostles believed that the Father was UNbegotten, while the Son was begotten and the Holy Spirit was the power of God. bur after the third century reign of Constantine and Athanatius this all changed by civil order. This is a deep discussion, but the fact that there has been 2000 years of debates shows that it can not be answered by such simplifications as you have just presented.

  3. Also the bible teaches man is not naturally immortal, but mortal and waits in the grave til his change comes.So says Job. Somehow over the centuries Hades, Gehenna and Tartaroo got changed into another word called hell which now means an ever burning inferno, which NEVER conveyed that thought. How do these things happen, one wonders? JWs are not unique in this teaching, as they took it from the Adventists.

  4. I ask you, just who is knocking on doors telling people about Christ's coming kingdom and man's need to be ready for this change. The Protestant denominations? No.The Catholics? No.Only the Jehovah's Witnesses. So who is really preaching the gospel here? What rubbish, there are billions of Christians because all groups preach. However, the Bible does not say go door knocking, rather it says at Luke 10:1-7 "After these things the Lord designated seventy others and sent them forth by twos in advance of him into every city and place to which he himself was going to come. … Wherever YOU enter into a house say first, 'May this house have peace.' And if a friend of peace is there, YOUR peace will rest upon him. But if there is not, it will turn back to YOU. So stay in that house, eating and drinking the things they provide, for the worker is worthy of his wages. Do not be transferring from house to house. See http://www.jwfacts.com/index_files/preach.htm

  5.Lastly, do Protestants and Catholics as a whole live their faith , Or is it a once a week thing on Sunday morning and the rest of the week is business as usual? You tell me. JWs really live their faith everyday. By their fruits you shall know them. You obviously are not aware of the high percentage of JWs living a double life.
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  mouthy

  Why did you make two posts? on the same subject... ??? For emphsis???? The WT says it has to be 3 times
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  Outaservice

  You better roll up your pantlegs as it is too late to save the shoes............

  Outaservice
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  Deputy Dog

  5.Lastly, do Protestants and Catholics as a whole live their faith, Or is it a once a week thing on Sunday morning and the rest of the week is business as usual? You tell me. JWs really live their faith everyday. By their fruits you shall know them.

  This makes me laugh so hard. hahahahahaha

  Mat 7:15

  "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.16"You will know them by their fruits.

  1897 "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874," Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 4, page 621.
  
  1899 "...the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced." The Time Is at Hand, page 101 (1908 edition).
  
  1916 "The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great 10000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ's Reign, began in 1873." The Time Is at Hand, page ii, (forward).
  
  1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection." Millions Now Living Will Never Die, page 89.
  
  1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914." The Watchtower 9/1/22, page 262.
  
  1923 "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge." The Watchtower, PAGE 106 4/1/23.
  
  1925 "The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time God will accomplish his purposes concerning his people. Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year." The Watchtower, 1/1/25, page. 3.
  
  1925 "It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into the minds of the consecrated, the thought that 1925 should see an end to the work." The Watchtower, Sept, 1925 page 262.
  
  1926 "Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything." The Watchtower, page 232.
  
  1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1917, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time...and they also learned to quit fixing dates." Vindication, page 338.
  
  1941 "Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon." The Watchtower, 9/15/41, page 288.
  
  1968 "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an 'end to the world', even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The 'end' did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing?.. Missing from such people were God's truths and evidence that he was using and guiding them." Awake, 10/8/68.
  
  1968 "Why are you looking forward to 1975?" The Watchtower, 8/15/68, page 494.

  1975

  Yea, I can tell by their "fruit"!