The Whining on this Site (page 2)

oompa

Easyrider...welcome! And I ride too in case you actually have a bike.

However you said...it is not because I am a coward who is sitting idly by.

And I am in your spot exactly, exept my kids are pretty much grown, and I have vocally faded. If I had known when my kids were younger...I could not have shut up then either, but I am a pretty vocal person. Once you REALLY know the truth, esp. after being raised in...you just want to SCREAM it out.

I know you are new here, and I don't have all (or any) the answers. I am sooooo trying to free my own family and some friends and with very little success. But I encourage to do SOMETHING about your kids....don't perpetuate the lie to young skulls of mush any more than you have to. You will hear of those here who have been successful at freeing their family, and you may find ideas that will help you...........good luck.............oompa

DaCheech

easyreader:

I know where you are: I'm married with kids.

My wife understands me, but will not disobey watchtower.

I cannot leave, without probably getting divorce and paying a big family breakup

WTWizard

The "whining" is nothing more than justified complaints about an organization that has ruined so many lives for nothing more than annoying people on Saturdays and holidays. People are exposing the things they are doing, and some of those things include pedophiles, stupid lawsuits designed to stifle freedom of speech, and policies that guarantee poverty and stagnation for everyone that follows the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger.

Only rarely, if ever, does anyone have something legitimately nice to say about the Washtowel Babble and Crap Slaveholdery Corporation. And, due to the insidious nature of this scam, if people do not report the whole truth (even if they are whining in the process), more lives are going to be ruined by this cancer that needs as much exposure as it can get. People here are free to report anything nice they can find about the Washtowel Slaveholdery, if there is anything nice to report about them.

R.Crusoe

When around your wife or other JWs maybe be who you are without reacting to their demands that you be who they want you to be and reassure your children with similar advice.

Not attempting to demand anything of their actions but being who you are is one of the hardest things for any human to put in practice IMO.

You have yourself in a tough place = even Eckhart may be divorced for example before meeting Kim Eng!

Best wishes for your future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vshBnR4Z9x8&feature=related

Light hearted with a serious message!

But how realistic it can become is ?????

'This is how it is.....' is the game WT play with lives they control so you doing the same is definitely who you are!!

hamsterbait

Negative emotions can destroy you from inside if you don't get them off your chest.

Whingeing and anger are much better out than in.

For those who cannot afford treatment by a counsellor, the support on this board is a lifeline.

Learn to avoid threads that irritate you. Or whine about it.

At nearly 50 is it any surprise that I am angry at being cheated out of more than half my life - even if I did allow myself to be suckered by witchtower babble and trash?

Whinge away! Whinge away! as the Hymn goes.

There is a new wine: "I wanna go to Miami!"

HB

Layla33

Oh I don't know, I think people are entitled to speak their minds on a situation that has caused them angst. Venting and whining, is very subjective and up to the person reading. If it doesn't suite me to read it, I just scroll past it, it's not that big a deal to me.

You would hope that at some point, instead of being bogged down with the disappointments of this religion, that one moves past it to other facets of life, but who are we to walk someone's path? I think exchanges, sharing opinions and dialoguing is part of that process...

Honesty

How am I ever going to retire if you guys and girlz don't whine an d pay me $5.00?

I put all my retirement into the New System and when it went bellyup so did my retirement.

That's not whining, it's Reality.

Terry

The difference between a whine and a rebuttal is in the effectiveness of the presentation.

To become effective in addressing grievances to the Jehovah's Witness status quo consider the following.

1.There is no policy in place which allows free access to Loyal Opposition in voicing concerns, complaints and errors for query or discussion.

This drives such healthy concerns underground and unfairly creates a "gossip" label. To recognize a problem is to label yourself spiritually weak. This is convicting a person without due process. Common practice among supressive dictatorships, but, hardly anything to brag about in free society.

2.The act more than any other which identifies a member as a Jehovah's WITNESS is door to door work. Yet, an historical overview of what the door to door ___message___actually was reveals an ever-changing pattern of mistakes, errors, policy changes, doctrinal mis-steps, wrong predictions, false leads and false prophecy! With that in mind--what does one say about one's self as the person delivering messages under the banner of JEHOVAH'S TRUTH when it is demonstrably wrong? How does it honor Jehovah to make him the originator of lies, half-truths and error? Isn't that how one identifies Satan and his organization?

By limiting, censoring and controlling the message (as well as chaning it periodically) without admitting they are merely making it all up out of thin air---the Organization passes the blame to others and takes none for itself. Being held ACCOUNTABLE is what the Evil Slave fears most.

3.The Internet is the first and only venue which allows free access to all the information in original form (actual scans of Society books, magazines, etc.). There is so much diversity of angry, bitter and injured party dialogue going on here at JWD it serves to hold up a huge mirror to the harms created daily in the insular, repressed and censored cult of Jehovah's Witnesses.

The only effective way of addressing wrongs done to membership is to constantly demand "Where did Jesus say that?" This will pinpoint the error as coming from men rather than God.

"You can't grow facial hair."

"Really, where did Jesus say that?"

"You can't celebrate birthdays."

"Really, where did Jesus say that?"

Jesus is the founder of Christianity. Jesus is the King of his own Kingdom. If Jehovah's Witnesses proclaim Jesus Kingdom rule they are surely embracing Jesus' way of preaching, teaching and judging.

Why does the organization actually quote Paul ten times more often than Jesus?

In the final analysis, whining comes from people without empowerment who bemoan their disenfranchisement.

For the rest of us, we can roar aloud what the facts are. Jehovah's Witnesses aren't Christian. They blame Jehovah for all their errors and flip flops. They are intellectually dishonest doctrinal fascists having it their way or the highway.

Free Will and individual expression is the worm at the root of their rotting tree of false knowledge.