How the new "generation" study went down in the meeting today

by slimboyfat 75 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • oompa
    oompa
    JimmyP:One thing I can say for sure, from the comments given, NO ONE liked the 95 version of generation! But do you think they said anything about it before? Hell no! They didn't want to be apostates LOL!

    But why would they like the new one any more? Both wipe out any time connection with good ol 1914.......we just get to watch more people drink wine and eat crackers longer.....................oompa

    And Ex-Smoker.....the elders were really saying "Wow, that pub is a real trouble maker and we will have his ass in the backroom in no time!"

  • Doubting Bro
    Doubting Bro

    Our's made a couple of interesting points:

    1 - The WT conductor did bring up the "new light" regarding the disgarding of the 1935 cutoff but not in so many words. He said to remember that there are annointed in their 40s & 50s so don't read anything into the change.

    2 - He also said that what a shame it was for people to have left the organization over the 1995 change only to have it changed back 13 years later. Yikes. Of course, I probably should have raised my hand and pointed out that this change is NOT reverting to the 1942 & 1947 understanding but rather to the 1927 understanding.

    After comment #1, I was thinking maybe he was starting to wake up but comment #2 was brainwashing at its finest.

    On a positive note, I had a pretty long conversation with my wife regarding this major doctrinal change. It was an awesome conversation, very calm with lots of give and take. Virtually no cult personality comments except for one about what other religion goes to war. Had nothing to do with the conversation and I reconized the statement as a reaction from the cult personality. I rattled off a list of religions that are pacifists and then redirected the conversation back to the subject at hand.

    She noted that they used the word "seems" a few times and it "seems" to her that gives them wiggle room to change later. After going over the history of all the generations understandings she said that she thinks they'll just change it again when it suits them. I asked how holy spirit could be guiding them when they change so much and end up going back to a theory they have already disgarded. I also told her that is why I don't think the WTS is Gods channel of communication because if it was, God doesn't seem to know what He's doing.

    All in all, I really appreciate everyone's comments here, all the research and the WTS for putting into print more evidence that they don't have God's backing!

  • oompa
    oompa
    2 - He also said that what a shame it was for people to have left the organization over the 1995 change only to have it changed back 13 years later. Yikes. Of course, I probably should have raised my hand and pointed out that this change is NOT reverting to the 1942 & 1947 understanding but rather to the 1927 understanding.

    Geeze....what an idiot elder......and yes you should have Doubting Bro.....I would still go ask him in front of a few others what he meant by it....you know he was not thinking of 1927 teachings.....what would he say?.............oompa

  • truthseeker
    truthseeker

    I still don't get how 2,000 years of "anointed ones" constitutes a SINGLE generation.

    Can someone explain to me what the Watchtower actually means?

    Definition:

    1. group of contemporaries: all of the people who were born at approximately the same time, considered as a group, and especially when considered as having shared interests and attitudes (were all the anointed born at the same time?!!!)


    2. stage in descent: a single stage in the descent of a family or a group of people, animals, or plants, or the individual members of that stage
    3. time taken to produce new generation: the period of time that it takes for people, animals, or plants to grow up and produce their own offspring, in humans held to be between 30 and 35 years
  • yourmomma
    yourmomma

    can anyone point me to any articles or sites that discusses how this "new light" is actually old light from 1927?

  • sir82
    sir82

    Here's what blew my mind:

    The unstated but clear-as-a-bell implication of all this is this: Maybe Armageddon isn't so near after all. If (1) you can't calculate the length of a generation, (2) some new anointed ones are in their "40's and 50's", and (3) maybe there are still some "open slots" for the anointed left, i.e., maybe some young dude will get 'anointed next week, or next year, or 20 years from now...well then, how is there any "sense of urgency" at all? There can be persons of this "generation" alive 50 or 100 or 1000 years from now.

    Yet, in the last paragraph, there was the standard "how should we respond to all this information?" application. How should we respond?

    You guessed it...with "increased urgency!"

    What the hey? They just pushed Armageddon into the indefinite future, potentially many decades or even longer away, but we're supposed to work ourselves up into a frenzy now?

  • Terry
    Terry

    It took me many, many years to understand something pretty important about all of this.

    Jehovah's Witnesses are not one thing. The religion is composed of many different things. The least of these things is a JW who is informed.

    What? How can that be? All those book studies, publications, articles, study groups---they should be very informed, right?

    You see, each Witness brings a different human personality into the Kingdom Hall. Thinking people who dig deep for understandable knowledge are the few and not the many. KNOWING is the least aspect of becoming.

    How can I say this?

    Five conditions apply which motivate people to join the JW throng.

    1. Personal crisis in their own life which casts doubt on the religion, church or personal beliefs they already have.

    2.Deep-seated need to be accepted by a group who will embrace them.

    3.Personal psychology which feeds on approval and authority-directed behavior.

    4.Profound hunger for meaning and purpose.

    5.Intellectual curiousity coupled with the mental capacity to absorb details.

    Any combination of the above strengthens the liklihood a person will make it through the vetting process and place their butt in the folding chair at the local Kingdom Hall.

    Did you notice I didn't include a category of SPIRITUAL MINDEDNESS?

    Why?

    There is no room in this religion for EMOTIONAL belief. It is doctrine driven and not emotion driven.

    One of the stark contrasts between an average JW and a member of a local church is the total absence of EMOTIONAL BELIEF.

    JW's are, for the most part, pretty cold in their "warmth" toward their fellow man and toward God's plan for them.

    They are more akin to business people hired to do a job for a stern boss who could fire their ass any moment should they screw up. Wages and benefits will come at the end, of course. They don't want to blow their 401K so to speak.

    What does all of this have to do with the Topic Thread of the "GENERATION STUDY"?

    Not one JW in 50 can really claim to grasp the deeper doctrines of this religion. They just can't! The ones who can and do are those with the brain capactity and personality type who embrace details. I won't say O.C.D. typology. But, I won't rule it out either.

    In your average Kingdom Hall it would be stretching it to claim more than 2 people in the entire Hall have an honest grasp of details, scriptural support and theology which constitute current understanding from the Organization.

    Intellectual firepower is a double-edged sword in this religion. Unless you also possess the stunted ego to accept being totally wrong when doctrines and prophecies change---you are out the door pretty quickly.

    What you end up with is a throng of people with average intelligence who have been convinced by OTHERS with a larger intellect.

    When doctrines change, the average JW didn't understand it the "old way" and appreciates that any "improvement" has been made.

    Think of it this way.

    When your laundry detergent advertises 'NEW AND IMPROVED"...how many customers raise an angry hew and cry, "What was wrong with it which made you have to "improve" it???"

    No. Never happens.

    People smile and accept their windfall with pig-ignorant grace.

    That's your average JW. Pig Ignorant.

  • Dunk
    Dunk

    Could someone post a link to the article? I'm so out of the loop on this.

    Thanks

  • besty
    besty

    Great post Terry - thats a whole new concept for me right there.

  • still_in74
    still_in74

    i was at the assembly for this one. Got to hear the Watchtower Summary.

    When he got to this point he talked about how if you were sitting there listening to Jesus speak you would have know that he was speaking about you -the annointed. Funny thing is, without extreme hand gestures and an awkward level of word emphasis there is no way that this would be the way I would understand it. To insinuate this is to insult Jesus as his language skills and communicative skills would be have to be severely poor to speak this badly.

    The best part was when he said "it just makes sense that we would understand Jesus that way. And that's probably how they understood it too."

    Probably???? LOL - That is just too much!! I couldnt believe he said. Of course nobody even cares. One bro. says to me: "well the WTS is the only org that is trying to figure these things out so we have to give them credit for that."

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