Should People Be Disfellowshipped? (page 4)

ianao

nytelcom1 "Uttered":

now...now...cant you antis just get along???

As I stated in my previous post to Mommy, this anti-idiot will cease as soon as the idiot (guess who Sherlock!) ceases.

What you say is right but you're not seeing the problem as JWs do. For them, a person who is out of the religion has no chances of surviving Armaggedon. So what they try to accomplish by shunning is
not to show their disapproval on the person's lifestyle but to psychologically coerce the person to go back to the Org. They really think it's the best thing to do, and it's something that fits perfectly with JW mindset. I don't see how this could change, unless they drop their claim of being the only true religion (something unlikely to happen in the foreseeable future).

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You are good- you maybe a Newbie but you understand the Power of High control groups -

while many are arguing about dfing they are in my view missing the larger point

if the wt didn't do it the way they do- then they would'nt be who they are

there is no greater fear that a jw has than to be dealt with by a Judical committee

when you consider that Dfing is never discussed before baptism and never after the only thing the avg jw knows about the process is YOU DON;T WANT TO GO INTO THE LITTLE BLUE ROOM IN THE BACK

the level of fear is unreal- i have 350 lb men come back into the back and SHAKE AND SWEAT LIKE a little 90lb weakling

my wife has a friend who was so frighten she BROKE DOWN ONTO HER MONTHLY PERIOD-

SHE WAS BLEEDING IN THE CHAIR

they had to reschedule the meeting

so please don't try telling me there are some good point in a process that STRIPS YOU OF YOUR DIGNITY and spits in your face.

when you consider that wt is a Corp --masquarading around as gods' mouth pc makes it even worst-

what american employee could be legally subjected to such treatment by any other Registered american corp-

as i have stated THE PROBLEM IS THE ENTIRE SYSTEM IS THE PROBLEM

JT

nytelcom1

Have you ever served as an elder?

thanks

james

NameWithheld

"jehvoah vs. allah"

What are the odds? Whose taking the bets? Can I contact some one in Vegas?

"In this corner, we have the defending creator of the universe, all the way from Pisadea(sp?), protector of the Jews, killer of all who dare question him, JEHOOOOOOOVAH" <wild applause>

"And in the corner, the challenger, he who provides for all, defender of the middle east, destroyer of towers, killer of infidels, ALLAAAAAAH" <more wild applause>

Can't see exactly how the fight shakes down ... after all Allah tag teams with the Taliban and others, but Jehovah's helpers refuse to get in the ring, just chanting "Wait on Jehovah" and "You just wait till Jehovah gets thru with you - the birds 'll peck out your eyeballs". It might be a close one ...

GinnyTosken

JEHOVAH vs. ALLAH

nytelecom1

jt
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your welcome

Celtic

What of the countless numbers who had their fair share of 'mental impairments' as children but were not allowed to seek professional assistance from trained bodies on the outside of the organisation? How are the elders qualified to make decisions based upon the fitness of someone elses mind when in fact they have virtually no knowledge whatsoever of the psychological processes that might have caused certain behaviour patterns in them as individuals? On what sound basis can they judge?

The DF fine, I'm glad I'm out of it, the shunning is tearing me apart still. Its so needless and serves no useful purpose, as someone else said, when they change their attitudes and direction accordingly on many factors, then I'll maybe not work on the issues so much.

Its not just being on this side of the fence, df'd out of the JW's but concern for those on the inside who are often being held there spiritually against their will, the use of the threat of disfellowshipping holding many in fearful hostage via emotional blackmailing. This I think is terrible and needs to be stopped quickly.

peace

celtic

Frenchy

Wannahelp:
You are quite correct. I apologize if I somehow insinuated (and I guess I did!) that being out means being immoral. That’s not what I meant. I should have explained a bit more. EVEN if a person were to pursue an immoral lifestyle (as defined by that society of people)…the shunning should still not be imposed. It’s a punishment and congregations are not empowered by God to judge in that sense of the word.

Mommy:
Remember that you can be DA’d even though YOU do not initiate the action. I agree that the process should not be one of judging repentance. Example: A single, brother moves in with a woman. He admits to their having a sexual relationship and tells the brothers he intends to maintain this relationship. This is goes blatantly against the professed beliefs of the religion. He would then be informed that as a result of his choice that he will be disfellowshipped. He is then treated like everyone else that is not a baptized Witness. End of story. There is no judging involved here.

Joseph:
I agree with your assessment. I know why they do it. I was just trying to present a common sense approach to the matter of df’ing.

Amazing:
I think that any organization has the right to deny membership to one who no longer professes the beliefs of that organization by either actions or words. I don’t believe that any organization has the right to demand that it’s entire membership shun that individual.

Freeman:
I read your thread. Very good.

Detective:
I agree with you that quite a few would not welcome such a thing for the reasons you stated.

Joelbear:
You bring up a good point about differences in opinions as to what morality is. Going contrary to what the organization’s stated position on a specific issue is what I had in mind. My view is changing on a lot of things, slowly. I’m more prone to withold personal condemnation against conduct which harms no one. I’ll leave it there.

Petty:
Yes, I think that way also. Sort of like blackmailing your wife to stay with you although she doesn’t love you anymore. It’s not for me.

Vennie:
You’re right, as wannahelp pointed out to me.

Utopian:

Although I was encouraged to study the OM publiciation as thoroughly as possible, I don't think I ever really understood the depth and severity of the congregation judicial process, or it's local/global scope.

I don’t believe that any person studying can fully comprehend the concept of disfellowshipping. I told a person studying this: Remember that if you get baptized and then later on decide that you want to join another religion that all six million members of Jehovah’s Witnesses will shun you like a leper for no other reason than you are walking away from this. He looked at me in disbelief. I assured him I was not joking and then he told me that he would never do it. To this day he has not.

JT:
I agree that the process as it stands sucks. My point is that there is no real need for it to be thus.

Celtic:

The DF fine, I'm glad I'm out of it, the shunning is tearing me apart still.

That’s my point. But even the process (as JT noted and you mention as well) is wrong. It should not strip one of their pride and tear them apart like it does. It should be something dignified, not a tribunal. It should be a discussion and not a trial.

-Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it-

cat1759

It is all against the real bible. Who has the right to take away a persons beliefs because they are doing something wrong. Maybe some help or counseling from the right agencies would help straighten things out for these folks. NOT Counseling from elders who know little about psychology. People are human beings with real feelings and should be treated as human.
When a parent shuns a child who in his youth made wrong choices, isnt that payment enough? Having to leave their parents house because the parents don't want to look bad to the congregation..this hurts..where is the love? Where did the two greatest commandments go that Jesus gave us?
No religion is worth chosing a belief over a child. Didn't the scriptures say, youths have problems and need help?
Just my two cents...
cathy

GinnyTosken

Frenchy,

Wannahelp . . .
Mommy . . .
Joseph . . .
Amazing . . .
Freeman . . .
Detective . . .
Joelbear . . .
Petty . . .
Vennie . . .
Utopian . . .
JT . . .
Celtic . . .

Sob! I feel I've been shunned! What did I do? When did the committee meet and decide?

Ginny

Should People Be Disfellowshipped?

-Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it-

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