ARE YOU ALL APOSTATES?

by Pureheart 15 Replies latest jw friends

  • ISP
    ISP

    Hey Francois....you seemed to have lost it man! I'd take a break!

    Pureheart...thanks for bringing this subject up. It is true to say that as time goes by....the difference or deviation from the previous stance is more clear. The 'truth' of today is unrecognisable from that of Russell's day. From his point of view JWs of today would be apostate and the JWs would say that any that don't 'keep up' are apostate...so it's one of those things that either side can call the other....Best to say it first though!

    As far as 'we' are concerned I like the quote here...

    As to the effects of a course of apostasy, one immediate result is a loss of joy. The apostate becomes hardened in his rebellious ways. Another is he fails to take in the spiritual food provided by “the faithful and discreet slave”—this leading to spiritual weakness and breakdown of spirit.

    Well I don't feel that myself! I guess many others are the same. Rather loss of joy and depression are commonplace amongst JWs.

    ISP

  • Prisca
    Prisca

    My experience is that since I left the JWs, my happiness has actually increased. I am no longer burdened down with unrealistic expectations, trying to get the quota for each month, wondering if I am doing enough to be approved by God. I used to experience horrible depression as a JW. That has gone, and I feel much happier inside. I feel I have improved as a person, and I have more to offer to those I meet.

    I'm glad I left the WTS. I love my life!

  • DannyBear
    DannyBear

    Pureheart,

    If you gather all the Jerry Fallwell's, Jim Jones's, Osama Bin Laden's of the world together, what common trait's do they display?

    FANATISISM.

    Like the WTBS most of these fanatic's started out rather mild, with little to define, their ultimate demise. Charles Taze Russell started out by revealing some heretofore, new way's of viewing centuries old scripture. Paradise earth (REV.); Hell Fire (REV); Original sin (GEN);The cross vs stake, redemption, end times...all simply a new concept as regards the established thought of the day.

    What seems to be the common denominator among these famous 'new thinker's' is organization/power. Jim Jones when confronted with the reality that he was losing control, that his follower's were begining to question or actually defect, his fanatisim for his cause culminated in drinking the kool-aid.

    Russel's little group of Bible Students, didn't have to many problems until after the Pastor attained notority, the small group now a significant group, with levels of heiarchy. Couple fanataisim for ones belief, with all the traping of power, and it becomes clear, why a fellow like Rutherford succeeded Russell. Rutherford milked the congregation of neophytes/old timer's for all they were worth.

    Much has been said here about how he did so, luxury cars, homes, fine clothing, food, reveling in the creature worship(even though he vehemently denied it) you name it he imbibed, just like all the power hungry cult leader's before and after him.

    Knorr, Franz, and now the current GB member's all subject to the same malevolent virus. POWER AND CONTROL. What good is a religious doctrine, policy, directive unless you have some teeth to enforce such?

    Chrisianity wasn't even a couple of hundred years old, before the same senario as described above, took root. Rome, Constantinople, Pope's, Bishop's, Priests, organized fantasisim was well on it's way to infamous legend. War's of every sort, outlandish prejudices, all appeared on the scene, because of organized/cultlike religon.

    In other words, the Bible has been responsible for more death, misery and discord, than any other human document ever. Yet learned men of the cloth continue to defend, explain away, look for direction, from this fomentor of chaos. Why? Because the Bible writer's declared it 'the very words of God'. Unfortuneately the entire world of mankind has suffered, whenever man has tried to speak for God. What is even worse? That from generation to generation the 'myth' has been passed down, so it all continues even in this enlightened age.

    Most all of us here, suffering deep wounds, from associating ourselves with 'men who speak for God'.

    That is why I reject all religion, all those who claim a special position with him. Its the only way I can see, to be free of all the APOSTACY!

    Danny

  • MacHislopp
    MacHislopp

    Hello Pureheart,

    what a nice question!

    I wanted to answer but what you have received

    already ...imho, is plenty and true.

    Read all the answers again...please.

    Then you'll understand better.

    Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

    " One who has an accurate knowledge
    of God's Word will have no problem
    in refuting false religious ideas".

  • ISP
    ISP

    Hey another thing.......a great number joined the WTS because of their perception of the 'Truth'....the desire for truth drew people.
    The same desire will and has forced people to leave. What changed?...the followers or the organisation? Who became 'apostate'?
    The WTS moved the goalposts...i.e. generation teaching change. They also got entangled with the UN. Seems to me we stayed constant in our outlook...they changed!

    ISP

  • Makena1
    Makena1

    Good topic - all good posts that resonant with my feelings. During my 40+ years of very active association with WTBS, the concept of labeling, marking, or whatever was repulsive - now even more so. I reject their labels, and refuse to label them, because I cannot read their hearts or motives any better than they can read mine.

    DannyBear wrote: Most all of us here, suffering deep wounds, from associating ourselves with 'men who speak for God'.

    That is why I reject all religion, all those who claim a special position with him. Its the only way I can see, to be free of all the APOSTACY!

    Wow - you nailed it for me with those two paragraphs. Well said my friend. Both of us have suffered enough.

    Peace,
    Mak

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