GB sidles out of 1919 and puts 1914 in the bin. (WT study.)!!

by hamsterbait 44 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  Hellrider

  LooooL:

  True, there are still those who think that Jesus came in kingly power during the fall of 1914

  That one is so slick its pretty close to sociopathic. "There are still those" is there to imply: We have allready moved away from this, we got some new light. Don`t you know? Have you been asleep at the meeting? And the "there are still those" is a way of distancing themselves from it, like saying "it was never an official teaching, not really"! That`s where the reference to that old book is a slick way of trying to rewrite history, like "we never taught this, just look at the old book". Which is total bs, of course. I think that although their followers are braindead sheeps, they even went to sociopathic on this one. Even the stupidest jw knows that this is what they were taught for 90 years.

  Hey Watchtower-psychopaths: WHO taught that "Jesus came in kingly power during the fall of 1914"?

  YOU DID! For 90 years you did, and millions based their entire lives on it. And now you are trying to imply that you never did. You are sick beyond repair.
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  Midget-Sasquatch

  Hamsterbait

  First off, I 'm stuck going to several, and being as oblivious as I am, I still would not have missed something like that if dubbies were talking about it. It strikes me as a spoof. But if its real, I have access to the most recent Study editions of the WT. If you give me the exact reference I can post a scan for others.
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  VM44

  "...some have concluded that the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" was appointed over all Christ's "belongings" in 1919.

  And who exactly are the "some [who] have concluded"? Isn't this just another way of saying that The Watchtower magazine has taught this in the past?

  See Norm's thread, "The elusive Brother Some", for more about this "shady and very mystical brother"!

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/5013/1.ashx

  --VM44
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  JCanon

  I found this article quite interesting. It's an expose of Harold Camping but gives some interesting details of JW history that I hadn't appreciated before.

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  Harold Camping's Kingdom Hall

  By Jason Wallace

  Photo to Left: Harold Camping, heretic and founder of Family Radio.

  I n 1843, people sold their homes and businesses and went about the country preaching the imminent return of Christ. They were the followers of William Miller, a farmer and self-taught bible scholar from New York. Miller understood the 2300 days of Daniel 8:14 to refer to the number of years until the return of Christ. Though scholars for two millennia had been in nearly universal agreement that the prophecy referred to the time of Antiochus Epiphanies, Miller insisted it was for fulfillment in his day.
  
  In 168 BC, as Daniel had prophesied, the Seleucid king, Antiochus Epiphanies, entered Jerusalem to punish the Jews. As promised, he put an end to sacrifices at the temple, and he rededicated the temple to Zeus. He then offered Zeus the sacrifice of a pig upon the altar of God. Daniel 8:14 does not literally read "2300 days", but "2300 evenings and mornings." From the time of Antiochus entering Jerusalem until the temple was cleansed and proper sacrifices reinstituted was roughly 2300 days. The actual morning and evening sacrifices prevented totaled roughly 2300. Either reading finds fulfillment in real past history.
  
  William Miller believed the cleansing of the temple in Daniel 8 was not of a real temple, but rather referred to the purification of the earth by fire at the Second Coming of Christ. Because the "sevens" in Daniel 9 were translated "weeks" in the King James Bible, Miller assumed all prophecies referring to days must mean years. Adding 2300 years to the time of Daniel's prophecy gave Miller a date between March 21, 1843 and March 21, 1844. He began to teach this throughout the Northeast and gained a wide following. Despite the great excitement, March 21, 1844, came and went without the return of Christ. Miller was devastated, but one of his followers went back through the calculations and found what he believed to be the error. Miller's dating was based on the decree of Artaxerxes going out in early 457 BC, but the decree did not immediately go into effect, so the calculations were off. A new date was set of October 22, 1844.
  
  When even 1844 did not pan out, some of the followers abandoned the movement. Many however tried to find a new explanation. They were too embarrassed to admit their error. They had invested too much to be wrong. Ellen G. White eventually led the Seventh-Day Adventists to the conclusion that Jesus had returned invisibly in 1844, and that He would soon make His presence known. Another group that tried to hold to the 1844 date was led by Jonas Swendahl and was known as the Second Adventists. They believed that 1844 marked not the date of Jesus' return, but of the beginning of the last generation. Swendahl taught that Jesus would therefore return in 1874.
  
  One of Swendahl's followers was a former Presbyterian named Charles Taze Russell. When 1874 came and went, he concluded 30 years was not long enough for a generation. So he added 70 years to 1844 and concluded that Jesus would return in 1914. This and other differences led him to split from the Second Adventists and launch Zion's Watchtower and Herald of Christ's Presence. His followers became known as the International Bible Students, and they went about the country with the message, "Millions now living will never die!" Followers were to leave their churches and fellowship together. All churches were considered apostate, but God had provided a new channel for their instruction, Zion's Watchtower Tract Society.
  
  What began as the International Bible Students has become the Jehovah's Witnesses. The date of 1914 was changed to 1925, 1941, and 1975. What began as calling Christians out of their churches to prepare for Christ's return has become an anti-Christian cult. I believe we are seeing something similar attempted today.
  

  In 1992, Harold Camping published 1994?. Like Miller, he rejected the historic understanding of Daniel 8. The prophecy clearly describes the rise of the kingdom of Greece under Alexander the Great, and the division of his empire among four others. But instead of seeing the prophecy as fulfilled then, Camping transports its fulfillment to our own day. Like the Adventists and the Jehovah's Witnesses, he focuses on the "hidden" meanings of texts, seeing pointers towards 1994 in the number of swine drowned in the Sea of Galilee or in the number of servants in Abraham's house. Camping introduced 1994? with the following statement, "No book ever written is as audacious or bold as one that claims to predict the timing of the end of the world, and that is precisely what this book presumes to do." As audacious as it was, it was wrong.
  
  September 6, 1994 came and went. Camping seemed to back away from his false prophecy, but he has now decided he was right all along. It was too bitter a pill to swallow to be wrong. Like the Jehovah's Witnesses, he says 1994 wasn't the wrong date. We just have to add 7 years to it. Like Russell he is now telling Christians to leave their churches. All are apostate. You should no longer trust your pastors and elders, but you should abandon them and turn to one of the only true channels of God's Word, Family Radio. Like Jehovah's Witnesses, you should simply fellowship together and await Word from Oakland.
  
  Photo to Right: Harold Camping is now claiming the end of the world on October 20th, 2011!

  In these new fellowships, there is to be no discipline, no baptism, no communion, and no authority apart from Family Radio's interpretation of the Bible. Mr. Camping rejects 1 Corinthians 11:26 that says we are to proclaim the Lord's death, till He comes. He rejects the clear teaching that the gates of Hades will not prevail against His church (Matthew 16:18). With even greater certainty than he had in 1994, Mr. Camping now says abandon the elders who provide watch over your soul (Hebrews 13:17), who are to shepherd the flock (1 Peter 5:1-3), and feed them (Acts 20:17-28). Do we no longer need shepherds other than Mr. Camping? Do we no longer need men to watch for our souls? Do we no longer need to be reconciled to brothers (Matthew 18)? If we do, what church is to judge it? Is Mr. Camping our pope who will judge for us?
  
  Family Radio may not be the Watchtower Tract and Bible Society, but it is built on the same wrong-headed interpretations of Scripture, the same date-setting, the same recalculations, the same accusations of complete apostasy, and the same claim to be the last true channel of God's Word. Despite the differences, both are heresy - - the tearing apart of Christ's church.
  
  We do live in a day of great apostasy. Churches do more often than not resemble circuses and stage shows, but the church has always had these troubles. The church has also had predators who point out these problems to get you to follow them. The Jehovah's Witnesses point out the pagan origins of Christmas and Easter celebrations, but only to lead you into some greater error. Now is the time for faithfulness, not just another form of apostasy.
  
  Like the Jehovah's Witnesses, Mr. Camping accuses anyone who differs with him of not really believing the Bible and accuses them of being idolatrous of their church. The true idol here is Mr. Camping. Will Christians read the Bible for themselves and search the Scriptures to know if these things are true, or will they blindly follow Mr. Camping into yet another false prophecy? And what will be the result for them if they do?

  "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction." -2nd Peter 2:1

  JC
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  AK - Jeff

  1914, 1919, and all the other false dates have to hit the rubbish bin in time.

  Some have doubted this - but it is inevitable. Just as jdubs today never heard about 1881, 1884, etc, so the dubs of the future will be saying that 1914, 1919 were just 'ancient misunderstandings' but the new light fixed all that.

  They couldn't hold onto those hot potatoes forever could they now?

  Jeff
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  Nathan Natas

  I too wait in eager expectation of Hamsterbait's revealing what issue of the magazine he got that from, and providing a scan of the page.

  I checked the reference to page 137 of the Proclaimer's book, and it is correct as far as it goes.

  Here's the full paragraph:

  "As the events following 1914 began to unfold and the Bible Students compared these with what the Master had foretold, they gradually came to appreciate that they were living in the last days of the old system and that they had been since 1914.They also came to understand that it was in the year 1914 that Christ’s invisible presence had begun and that this was, not by his personally returning (even invisibly) to the vicinity of the earth, but by his directing his attention toward the earth as ruling King. They saw and accepted the vital responsibility that was theirs to proclaim “this good news of the kingdom” for a witness to all nations during this critical time of human history.—Matt. 24:3-14." -- Jehovah's Witnesses Proclaimers of God's Kingdom (1993)
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  Forscher

  Interesting,

  Here is the problem. The organization followed a pattern pretty much in line with what sociologists have observed in governments and large organizations for years. They began with a charismatic leader who was also imaginative and full of ideas (in the Soviet Union we see a parallel with Lenin). Next came an authoritative leader who concentrated and consolidated his power. He generally used others who were better educated to keep the masses enthralled with changes in the basic message (For the Soviet Union it was Stalin, a peasant who rose to power because of his ruthlessness and relied on others the way Rutherford ended up relying on Franz). Then leadership passes to one or two weaker men because the power grabber didn't trust anyone in positions of authority who might be strong enough to take his power away from him. Lastly power devolves onto a committee of individuals who are even weaker and spend most of their time fighting amongst each other with little real success. Because of said struggle the committee is further weakened because the rest will not abide potential competitors for power or powerful allies for their competitors. Thus, they become an ineffectual body with no imagination. Bureaucrats take over, wielding power to cross-purposes while the committee essentially stands still from its own gridlock. Eventually the organization or government implodes on itself due to the weak and unimaginative leadership

  That, in a rough and short outline, is what Weber and other sociologists noticed throughout the years. I think we can confidently say that the Witnesses are in the later stages. A relative weak GB, made up largely of yes-men and weak leaders of the factions therein, is lacking in imagination and unable to break out of its inertia. They are relying on others, largely the Legal department where the only educated minds remain in the organization, to suggest how they should reorganize things and even what "new light" to come up with. Fear keeps them from contemplating really big changes, fear of legal problems, fear of losing the rank and file in massive numbers. But change they must since their own doctrines are becoming untenable. So the changes are small, and incremental while the GB holds their fingers up to see which way the wind is blowing.

  The implosion is not inevitable though. Take China, for example, which has managed to stave off imploding by embracing a modified form of capitalism. They managed to hold things together by giving the masses an illusion of increased freedom and using the method of their enemies to build a strong economy (it must have been galling to them to allow it). The GB could stumble across a similar solution (perhaps going "mainstream" incrementally). We will just have to see.

  Forscher
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  NewYork44M

  They managed to hold things together by giving the masses an illusion of increased freedom

  Good comments Forcher. I agree with your assessment. what you describe as above is why the gb is doing away with the book study. Illusions of freedom.
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  sf

  [[You are sick beyond repair.]] Yet, so many are secretly **STILL** hoping for reform of this deadly fraud. Go figure. sKally
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  Sirona

  ????