Einstein on God....Rare Letter At Auction

by hillary_step 45 Replies latest jw friends

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  fifi40

  Vinny

  Either you really are very, very stupid or you like to attempt to wind people up................which ever it fails magnificently.

  How can you possibly quote part of what HS says and ignore the rest of his statement, and expect that any of us who can read, to take what you say with any seriousness...........is this is a trait left over from your jw experience.

  HS stated that Einstein did not believe in ANY God, in the conventional sense............or for the more simple..........he did not believe in the Gods of organised religion..........possibly with a name and some type of man made reference book. I think if HS had expanded on this statement he was acknowledging that Einstein did believe in a greater being but not in the common ordinary sense that many do. Einstein could not make the God of religious books fit!

  In HS's use of the word 'conventional' he is actually reiterating a comment made in the article by John Brook, the professor of Science and Religion at Oxford University. In HS opening dialogue he actually conveys the same sentiment the article in question does. You would have to be a 'blind man' to miss this.

  Cheers

  Fi
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  Satanus

  Vinny has an on/off, black/white, light/dark switch in his brain. Variations and gradations between the two extreme poles do not work in his old fashioned believer circuitry. Shades of gray, colors, medium voltages, he no comprendo.
  
  S
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  Paralipomenon

  Einstein was very vocal. Very, very vocal. He provided many quotes and many of his letters survive to this day.
  
  That said, you can see his frame of mind change over time on various subjects. He started life as a devout pacifist, decrying all war as unnecessary. But after watching Hitler come and rise to power, he changed his mind to recognize that sometimes war is necessary to keep madmen from oppressing a peace loving people.
  
  His quotes on religion and God too change. While his family wasn't very religious, he tried out religion at a young age in an attempt to connect to his ancestry but quickly gave it up. From that point on, he didn't embrace any religion, but could see great order in the universe.
  
  He felt that the universe was governed by rules and laws so perfectly that it was awe inspiring. Perhaps the universe was a "god" in itself. He completely rejected the notion of a personal God, a holy book and the concept of salvation.
  
  Sadly his clinging to the idea that the universe adhered to a set of rules fueled his rejection of quantum physics. He could not fathom this concept that the universe had chaotic aspects to it that couldn't be predicted or explained by pure raw math. Interestingly, his attempts to disprove quantum physics forced the minds at the time to make many breakthroughs in the field, much to Einstein's dismay.
  
  He was a smart man, a well thought man, but really, his opinions were imperfect and flawed just like everyone here. Requiring the validation of a celebrity scientist as a means to support your belief structure is just silly at the best.
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  AWAKE&WATCHING

  *sticky note*
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  hillary_step

  Vinny,

  Hilary REPOSTS his slick-willie line:..."Einstein did not believe in any God AT LEAST NOT IN THE CONVENTIONAL SENSE" . Mucho better Hilary. This clarifies things better. There is some hope for Hilary.

  Idiot.

  That is what I wrote in my opening post. You have been misquoting me all along. Do you actually bother reading posts, or is you religious zeal getting the better of your thought processes? Imagine the valuable time you might have saved if you had bothered reading my opening post before geting all hot and bothered.

  Now that you have this straight in your mind, here is a question for you.

  Do you agree with Einstein that the Bible is 'childish' abd 'primitive' and that the God of the Bible is a product of 'weak' minds?

  HS
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  snowbird

  Now that the testosterone level has subsided a bit, may I introduce this link that explores how much - if any - Einstein's wife contributed to his ideas? Thanks.

  http://www.pbs.org/opb/einsteinswife/

  Sylvia
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  snowbird

  bttt
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  BurnTheShips

  He did write to her about what he called "our theory".

  And she got to keep the whole Nobel prize sum as a divorce settlement.
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  snowbird

  He did write to her about what he called "our theory".

  And she got to keep the whole Nobel prize sum as a divorce settlement.

  Fo' shizzle.

  Sylvia
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  Vinny

  One FINAL POST on this one to clean up more of the same boring, laughable nonsense.
  
  
  Poor Hilary, must like getting spanked. Cause he keeps asking for more. Ask and you shall receive...
  
  
  
  
  How can you possibly quote part of what HS says and ignore the rest of his statement, and expect that any of us who can read, to take what you say with any seriousness...........is this is a trait left over from your jw experience."
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Einstsin did not believe in any God at all?
  
  
  Or, Einstein did not believe in any God, at least not in the "conventional" sense?
  
  
  Big difference Hilary.
  
  
  Folks, you just gotta love Hilary and his nonsense like this.
  
  
  Poor Hilary.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  So we can see right away vinny did not misquote Hilary. Them's the simple facts here. Sorry fifi but you should know this if you bothered reading it. Not a bad idea to try some time.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Well, by now anybody WITH EYES can see what Hilary meant by "it is just as well that we all know (((THAT EINSTEIN DID NOT BELIEVE IN ANY GOD)))"...
  
  
  WHICH IS A LIE.
  
  
  This was Hilary's "Slick Willy" move. And I busted him on it many times now. He tried to make it appear that Einstein did not believe in any God at all.
  
  
  After a comma, (comma means pause) he then added the, "at least not in the conventional sense".
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Hilary could have said, "but it is just as well that we all know that Einstein did not believe in the God of the bible or in the God of any specific organized religion".
  
  
  But we see he did not say that. He instead said, but it is just as well that we all know that Einstein ((((did not believe in any God))))---then a pause--, "(((at least))) not in the conventional sense"
  
  
  Which is dishonest and misleading the reader.
  
  
  Because as "we all know" by now, Albert Einstein was NOT AN ATHEIST.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Like I saay many times....
  
  
  Folks, you just gotta love Hilary.
  
  
  Have a good one Hilary. No more Slick willie moves Hilary. Or you will be SPANKED again.
  
  
  Over and out.
  
  
  Vinny