Should Welfare Recipients Contribute to the Society?

sammielee24

The WTS depends on money coming in from it's members and they aren't picky on where the money comes from.

The WTS does not pay taxes because it is a religion - therefore, one assumes that no taxes are paid on the Kingdom Halls. The WTS does not provide any food banks or soup kitchens to assist the poor in the community - the money it collects is forwarded directly to the top. Many cities and counties are struggling to balance the books as more people require government assistance to live, wether it be from food stamps, transportation or general welfare. I know people who continued to pay their dues while struggling financially and ultimately filing for bankruptcy - they made sure their donations were paid up while the electric bill got behind. Should people on government assistance be allowed to take those funds and use them as donations for religion? Should someone who is bankrupt or filing, be allowed to continue donating to their religion? A county cannot refuse assistance based on religion however, could the county bill the houses of worship equally based on the number of people on aid in the community - if - that house of religion did not provide some sort of non denominational aide to poorer members of the community. This would ensure that some of the tax money going into the church/KH etc was in turn put back into the same community thereby reducing the dependence overall. sammieswife.

journey-on

Sammieswife,

I don't think it would be a good idea for the government to get involved in telling people how their welfare check

should be spent. However, by the same token, I do think all welfare recipients should have to take a drug test

periodically just like people do that apply for employment. Drugs in your system? No employment/no welfare.

I think churches that derive an income like the WTS should have to pay taxes....period....unless they contribute

to their community in the form of food banks and other charitable assistance. (And I'm not talking about preaching

the good news and dropping off Watchtowers and Awakes....or, for their brotherhood only. I'm talking REAL community

service for all members of the community.)

orangefatcat

I would give if I could if I couldn't I didn't. Basically as you stated what has the WTBTS ever done to assist those who are poor or widows or on assistance. No they have no soup kitchens or foodbanks, or clothing for those in dire straits. But the WTS expected those in the cong. to assist others in countries where brothers had no food or clothing or suffered from natural disasters.

I cringe when I recall my mom give 10,000 dollars to the wTS and yet at the same time she knew we were in want and never gave me a dime and I would never ask her because she would blame me because I was n't spiritual enough for her and dads liking. Talking about being Judgemental.

I think it is ridiculous to give anything. When I needed help I never was helped out. I have had times when I had nothing to eat in my home and never was offered help. Only the outside religous organizaitons helped us in tough times. Like the Salvation Army, St. Vincents De Paul. and other religious orders. So we sought assistance from them. I felt terrible taking something from them but I had no choice at times.

I never expected anything from them anyway as they thought our family head was a nut case and let me tell you he was. He was to busy preaching and not providing the nessecities of life to his family. But still why would they take that out on my self and my son, it was because his father was not a good or caring husband / father . He gave money to the Society and let us suffer.

I can tell you contributing to the cong. or the WTS was not in my number one priority . It was feeding my son. I could go with out food but not my child. Other witnesses that were poor too in our cong. we helped out each other when we could. It goes to show you the the poor help the poor. The rich in the org. don't give a darn.

If I keep going I will only get outraged a little more. God help you if your poor and a Jeh. Witness.

I was n't able to work since 1985 after that my body just gave out. But I wasn't a lazy person in anyway.

Let the WTS fend for themselves. Their coffers are full. And they keep expecting more and more.

Orangefatcat.

cognizant dissident

I don't know about in the States, but in BC, with rents as high as they are, if welfare recipients rent a cheap little room or apartment and pay their basic utilities there is not enough money left over to afford to eat a nutritious diet according to Canada Food Plan. So any money they gave to the Society would be coming straight out of their mouths literally. As it is, there is no money left for clothes or transportation. I think if you are looking for work, they will buy you a bus pass.

Aside from people who are ill or disabled, people on Welfare only have one obligation and that is to try and find employment. Right now, there is plenty of work in minimum wage service jobs in BC. These pay more than welfare does, so a person is still better off working.

Those who are homeless are almost always substance abusers or mentally ill. To receive welfare, I believe they should have to complete detox and rehabilitation programs that include contributing work as part of the program.

Cog

sammielee24

Basically as you stated what has the WTBTS ever done to assist those who are poor or widows or on assistance. No they have no soup kitchens or foodbanks, or clothing for those in dire straits. But the WTS expected those in the cong. to assist others in countries where brothers had no food or clothing or suffered from natural disasters.
I cringe when I recall my mom give 10,000 dollars to the wTS and yet at the same time she knew we were in want and never gave me a dime and I would never ask her because she would blame me because I was n't spiritual enough for her

I suppose that is what I am getting at.

I believe that all churches/religious organizations should be taxed at all levels. In that way, they are putting back into society some of what they are taking out. Religion does not want federal dollars because it would make them beholden but they still receive government funds via the unemployed or those on welfare. Just as people rant that a person on welfare should not be allowed to buy alcohol or cigarettes because it takes money from food for the kids - why should a religious contribution from welfare be any different? This is not a question aimed at those on assistance being wrong - it is an opinion aimed at religious organizations that bleed some in their congregations dry. Looking out for the man at the top to the exclusion of the needs of those at the bottom, seems greedy and unchristianlike for a Christian congregation. sammieswife

orangefatcat

Your right on the dollar, Tax them to the maximum.

The Society keeps stating they need money just think what would happen if the nation all of Sudden declared that JW and other religions will be taxed? I somehow feel that day may come when countries get it into their heads that the churches have alot of money. The country wants money so yes tax religious groups. Your 100 percent on the nose.

Religion: Over $200Billion a year - tax free!

"I Have a running dispute with the IRS. They refuse to recognize my tax exempt status as a church."

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Orangefatcat

WTWizard

While I am not in favor of being told what to do with welfare money, I think it's just plain stupid to put anything into the Worldwide Pedophile Defense Fund. When a person is on welfare, the priority should reasonably be to get off. Such things like getting a computer, online service, college training, on the job training, and help to fully integrate one's thinking all go much farther to get them off welfare.

On the other hand, the washtowel slaveholdery does more to keep people on welfare. They have stepped up their bashing of college. They make people work fewer hours on the job because they have to get to those fxxxing boasting sessions on time and do field circus. They have to waste their money on driving to and from the Kingdumb Hells and in field circus, plus more money on suits and field circus supplies. All of which keeps people on welfare. And itself is reason enough that they should be strongly discouraged to give any part to the Worldwide Pedophile Defense Fund.

logic&reason

Should Welfare Recipients Contribute to the Society?

NO.

Should NON-Welfare Recipients Contribute to the Society?

NO.

orangefatcat

Well said L&L.

here here.

Cool thoughts on giving money to the Pedeophile Fund. Never no never let them rot in hades, or gehanna or what ever.

Orangefatcat.

OnTheWayOut

Your real thought here is not that the government should limit welfare recipients from
giving some of their welfare money to worthwhile causes. You are trying to simply say
that WTS is not a worthwhile cause. Of course they are not.

Should Welfare Recipients Contribute to the Society?

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