Cold Fusion For Real This Time?

by Elsewhere 10 Replies latest jw friends

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    I'm sure most everyone here remembers the 1989 fiasco in which some scientists claimed to have achieved cold fustion, only to have the claims debunked due to no one else being able to reproduce the experiment.

    The phrase "Cold Fusion" became synonymous with Bad Science.

    Well, here we are again. Another group claiming to have cold fusion. If it's real it will solve the worlds energy problem many times over. Oil will become as useful as a horse and buggy.

    I'll be keeping my eyes on the news to see if this pans out.

    http://physicsworld.com/blog/2008/05/coldfusion_demonstration_a_suc_1.html

    Cold-fusion demonstration "a success"

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    On 23 March 1989 Martin Fleischmann of the University of Southampton, UK, and Stanley Pons of the University of Utah, US, announced that they had observed controlled nuclear fusion in a glass jar at room temperature, and — for around a month — the world was under the impression that the world's energy woes had been remedied. But, even as other groups claimed to repeat the pair's results, sceptical reports began trickle in. An editorial in Nature predicted cold fusion to be unfounded. And a US Department of Energy report judged that the experiments did "not provide convincing evidence that useful sources of energy will result from cold fusion."

    This hasn't prevented a handful of scientists persevering with cold-fusion research. They stand on the sidelines, diligently getting on with their experiments and, every so often, they wave their arms frantically when they think have made some progress.

    Nobody notices, though. Why? These days the mainstream science media wouldn't touch cold-fusion experiments with a barge pole. They have learnt their lesson from 1989, and now treat "cold fusion" as a byword for bad science. Most scientists agree, and some even go so far as to brand cold fusion a "pathological science" — science that is plagued by falsehood but practiced nonetheless.

    There is a reasonable chance that the naysayers are (to some extent) right and that cold fusion experiments in their current form will not amount to anything. But it's too easy to be drawn in by the crowd and overlook a genuine breakthrough, which is why I'd like to let you know that one of the handful of diligent cold-fusion practitioners has started waving his arms again. His name is Yoshiaki Arata, a retired (now emeritus) physics professor at Osaka University, Japan. Yesterday, Arata performed a demonstration at Osaka of one his cold-fusion experiments.

    Although I couldn't attend the demonstration (it was in Japanese, anyway), I know that it was based on reports published here and here. Essentially Arata, together with his co-researcher Yue-Chang Zhang, uses pressure to force deuterium (D) gas into an evacuated cell containing a sample of palladium dispersed in zirconium oxide (ZrO 2 –Pd). He claims the deuterium is absorbed by the sample in large amounts — producing what he calls dense or "pynco" deuterium — so that the deuterium nuclei become close enough together to fuse.

    So, did this method work yesterday? Here's an email I received from Akito Takahashi, a colleague of Arata's, this morning:

    "Arata's demonstration...was successfully done. There came about 60 people from universities and companies in Japan and few foreign people. Six major newspapers and two TV [stations] (Asahi, Nikkei, Mainichi, NHK, et al.) were there...Demonstrated live data looked just similar to the data they reported in [the] papers...This showed the method highly reproducible. Arata's lecture and Q&A were also attractive and active."

    I also received a detailed account from Jed Rothwell, who is editor of the US site LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reactions) and who has long thought that cold-fusion research shows promise. He said that, after Arata had started the injection of gas, the temperature rose to about 70 °C, which according to Arata was due to both chemical and nuclear reactions. When the gas was shut off, the temperature in the centre of the cell remained significantly warmer than the cell wall for 50 hours. This, according to Arata, was due solely to nuclear fusion.

    Rothwell also pointed out that Arata performed three other control experiments: hydrogen with the ZrO 2 –Pd sample (no lasting heat); deuterium with no ZrO 2 –Pd sample (no heating at all); and hydrogen with no ZrO 2 –Pd sample (again, no heating). Nevertheless, Rothwell added that Arata neglected to mention certain details, such as the method of calibration. "His lecture was very difficult to follow, even for native speakers, so I may have overlooked something," he wrote.

    It will be interesting to see what other scientists think of Arata's demonstration. Last week I got in touch with Augustin McEvoy, a retired condensed-matter physicist who has studied Arata's previous cold-fusion experiments in detail. He said that he has found "no conclusive evidence of excess heat" before, though he would like to know how this demonstration turned out.

    I will update you if and when I get any more information about the demonstration (apparently there might be some videos circulating soon). For now, though, you can form your own opinions about the reliability of cold fusion.

  • imissmaine
    imissmaine

    Very interesting. I remember the mess of the first time that guy said he was successful. Guess we'll have to wait and see on this one! Thanks for the post!

  • PrimateDave
    PrimateDave

    I am always skeptical of anyone who offers "free" energy. Whether it is cold fusion, water as a fuel, or electric motors that generate their own power, there are a lot of inventions out there based on "bad" science that never quite seem to work, except for the inventor himself. The inventors often make fraudulent claims meant to attract gullible investors.

    Dave

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    Yes I remember a whole department at Imperial College London dedicated time to try and reproduce the results of Pons and Fleichsman.

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    If dueterium is fused, helium is formed. Woudn't one proof that the apparatus is working be the appearance of helium in the reaction vessel? A gas chromatograph could easily verify this.

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    Also probably free neutrons, and other evidences of radiation, Nathan.

    Sad to see good money being wasted on such nonsense when there is great need for effective energy research.

    I saw a guy on TV that had a quart Mason Jar full of water hooked up with two electrodes which went to his car's electrical system. He claimed it was making hydrogen and that piping the H2 into the fuel injection gave him a great boost in fuel economy. He was selling the apparatus for $250.00.

    Think about this - does anybody really believe you can get enough hydrogen out of a quart of water to make any difference to your car engine? And that there will be a net energy gain over the amount of electrical power needed to do the electrolysis?

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    A gas chromatograph could easily verify this.

    Helium is the usual carrier gas for GC - are you sure GC would be that easy to use for this?

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    You can also use other relatively non-reactive or inert gasses - such as Nitrogen.

    I think that Nathan's point really is that if fusion is actually occuring, present day analysis would easily verify it - hence the rapid discovery of the Pons & Flieshman fraud over a decade ago.

  • IP_SEC
    IP_SEC

    LOL I thought this would be about the development framework

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    Went and read a little more on this later cold fusion research just now -

    Most conventional physicists say that if they really got two deuterium nuclei to merge, the most likely outcome would be either -

    a. A tritium nuclei and a free proton - or

    b. A helium 3 nucleus and a free neutron (like Nathan suggests should prove the reaction product).

    In all cases, the level of neutrons, tritium, or helium-3 are nowhere near what would be expected for actual fusion.

    One of the fundamental problems noted is that the energy release would not be as heat in the (palladium "catalyst" metal lattice) but would rather be as higher-energy radiation.

    Anyway, it has been pretty extensively researched over the years (even past the early news), and so far without conclusive result.

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