Welcome Koso....it sound like they felt you are an apostate? Did they use that word? If you had thoughts of new truths....you should have started taking the bread and wine at the memorial. Then you would be part of this faithful slave, and I guess you would have the right to dispense new truths at the proper time. You would be a feeder..........................oompa
Faithful slave?
by Kosonen 16 Replies latest jw friends
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Gopher
Welcome to the board, Kosonen.
Just one question -- if the Watchtower Society is teaching things that aren't in the Bible, what is the basis to believe that Jehovah's Witnesses are a people for his name? Just having the name Jehovah isn't enough, as the Israelites found out twice when their nation was destroyed.
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jwblog
We have allways heard someones calling them selves "discreet and faithfull slave"? But sometimes it has been hard to understand if they really are discreet and faithful. They say that Jesus came in 1918 and approved them as discreet and faithful. Many of those were not yet born then, so could Jesus have approved them before their birth? I do not believe that. Instead Jesus said that he that has endured to the end will be saved. (Matthew 24:13) I believe that Jesus has appointed slaves to give spiritual food to other sheeps. In fact all the anointed ones are His slaves. But not all of theese slaves serve well. That is why Jesus asks Who really is the faithful and discreet slave? When somebody becames anointed I understand, then he becames appointed to give spiritual food. And later when his Master arrives he will appoint him over all his belongings. When will this happen? I believe it will be shortly before Armageddon, when the finaly approved slaves get the kingdom.
You have some very good points of reason. In fact what you have stated to a degree is true. When Jesus Christ arrives he wages war so therefore the faithful slave is chosen before this occurs. However how can one be anointed unless there is someone present to anoint them? Jesus Christ sits upon his throne in the heavens and no other person will take seat upon a throne until the thousand year reign begins. The faithful slave is appointed only after the Kingdom of God takes rule. Otherwise who will the faithful slave reign as king over if there are still humanly goverments still in power? A king appointed by God is one that has authority and this will not occur until all other humanly goverments are placed under authority under God The Almighty. Truly I say to you, the true faithful and discreet slave is in your midst.......
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Mysterious
Welcome to the boards. I think you will find a lot of viewpoints that may cause you to reflect on what the JWs have told you and whether or not they truly are god's people. Do not be stumbled when JWs ask "who will you go away to if you leave". You do not need to have an answer for that. When you establish they are not god's true people you have a duty to separate yourself from their falsehoods even if you do not know of someone with absolute truth at that time. Continue the reading and the soul searching. Best wishes.
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Borgia
Hi Konosen,
Thanks for the backdrop. I'd say, writing six letters without an answer and on the spot disfellowshipping for apostacy, quick and the dead I'd say. Did they try to reason with you?
What did you take issue with?
Anyway, about Matth 24:45-47. Against the background of JW history I would say, don't go there. It does not solve anything. The question is rhetorical and by trying to supply an answer, however unlikely and farfetched, paired to confusing the 2nd invisible presence with the return where all kinds of shit happens, we get into a big mess over which thinking christians have busted each others head.
The passage is used to support and instil organisational thinking counter to everything the gospels wants us to believe about Jesus' teachings.
From a positive point of view, I would expect JC himself to answer that question if he comes back instead of mere humans with all kinds of spiritual deviating ideas.
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M.J.
I was reading an article from the Nov. 1, 1944 Watchtower, pp. 331-332. It was pretty enlightening to see what was taught about the "Faithful Servant" back then (some 26 years after the supposed "inspection").
It stated that Christ came into the "temple" in 1918 to judge his "consecrated servants" to see which of THEM should be retained and organized as his "faithful and wise servant class".
It DID NOT say he came to judge all the world's religions or all the churches of Christendom to see which group was doing the right things. The article went on to say the Bible Students from 1878-1918 WERE INDEED carrying out the "Elijah Work" under the leadership of Christ Jesus...but this work came to an end in 1918 when Jesus came to judge and "clean out" the temple and separate out an "evil servant" class, "which followed after man-worship, selfish ambitions, and self-righteousness, and which aimed after the control of the governing body." (p.332)
Those faithful to the "theocratic organization", on the other hand, were approved under the judgment trial, and so Christ made them the "faithful and wise servant" class. He committed to them the "interests of the kingdom". It goes on to say, "This 'faithful and wise servant' class is the real 'Society' of Jehovah’s anointed remnant."
IN OTHER WORDS, there was a big contingent of people who disagreed with the direction of the organization in 1918. These were fellow "consecrated servants" of Christ who did not see eye-to-eye with Rutherford's direction of the organization, to put it mildly, and ended up leaving. How does a sect ALWAYS explain a breakaway of its membership?
"God cleaned house!"
"The temple was purified!"
In the face of a schism, there had to be a way of discrediting those who didn't stick with the "theocratic organization", while affirming the validity of the organization itself...The Faithful Slave / Evil Slave doctrine served that purpose.
Once the breakaway(s) faded from the collective memory of JWs, the story changed to "We were selected from among Christendom"...which doesn’t make any sense! If they were already Christ’s anointed brothers, what was the point?
Didn’t Christ know who his brothers were? The original point was making a distinction between those among God’s anointed who remained "faithful" and those who turned "evil".
Now without this premise the FDS doctrine is left hanging with the inconsistency that there has always been a FDS "class" following Christ, and yet that "Faithful Discreet Slave class" had to be appointed in 1919.
In fact, if 1919 were ever dropped, I’ll bet that they’ll still claim authority on the basis of proving the FDS is simply a brother/follower of Christ…and they’re the only ones who fit the bill (by their own criteria). -
jwblog
25 “He shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the South with a great army. And the king of the South shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand, for they shall devise plans against him. 26 Yes, those who eat of the portion of his delicacies shall destroy him; his army shall be swept away, and many shall fall down slain. 27 Both these kings’ hearts shall be bent on evil, and they shall speak lies at the same table; but it shall not prosper, for the end will still be at the appointed time. 28 While returning to his land with great riches, his heart shall be moved against the holy covenant; so he shall do damage and return to his own land.
Today, this prophecy has been fulfilled
the "true" faithful and discreet slave
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