Joseph Campbell's Comments on "Sects"

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  • Rapunzel
    Rapunzel

    Hi Narkissos - As ever, I find your post very interesting also. Thanks for your reply.

    With you, I agree that any approach to the question of "sects" and/or "cults" should be conducted via a variety of approaches, that way, the various "data" supplied could serve only to increase awareness and provide insights. The psychological/archetypal approach proposed by Campbell should most certainly be "complemented" [enhanced] by the methodology of other academic/research disciplines. One could study a group with an eye toward its diachronic development [history] or its synchronic relations with society at large. In fact, the issue is a very broad one and calls for study using different approaches.

    I also agree with your idea that modern Western societies are "Janus-faced" in their theoretical "embrace" and encouragement of diversity; whereas, in fact, they manage to impose, in practice, as much uniformity and conformity as they can. What eludes me [and perhaps it is here that you could assist me] is exactly who carries out these "policies of conformity." Are these decisions conscious ones on the part of a specific group of individuals? Is it politicians who are responsible? Or the so-called "titans" of industry/commerce? The military? The media? A combination of the afore-mentioned? After all, the term modern Western democracies, though commonly used, is a broad one. To appropriate a metaphor, there are "many countries and societies under that tent." There are many countries that can be put in this category. Each country has its own unique and distinct history and concerns.

    Or, rather, is this phenomena a more diffuse one? To use the German phrase, is it a zeitgeist, a "spirit of the times"?

    By the way, Narkissos, I seem to remember that you mention the idea of "play" or "man playing a given role." I cannot remember the specific thread, but it seems to me that you mention this notion of "play" or "role playing." Perhaps it was a thread on Nietzsche. In any case, there is a very interesting quote in Campbell's Myths To Live By. In the following passage, Campbell quotes a book by J. Huizinga, entitled Homo Ludens: A Study of the Play-Element in Culture, and published by Routledge in 1949. The following passage is from the chapter, "The Inspiration of Oriental Art" - "There is a curious, extremely nteresting term in Japanese that refers to a very special manner of polite, aristocratic speech known as 'play language,' asobase kotoba, whereby, instead of saying to a person, for example, 'I see that you have come to Tokyo,' one would express the observation by saying, 'I see that you are playing at being in Tokyo' - the idea being that the person addressed is in such control of his life and his powers that for him everything is a play, a game. He is able to enter into life as one would enter into a game, freely and at ease. And this idea is carried even so far that instead of saying to a person, 'I hear that your father has died,' you would say, rather, 'I hear that your father has played at dying.'

    And now, I submit that this is truly a noble, really glorious way to approach life. What has to be done is attacked with such a will that in the performance one is literally 'in play.' That is the attitude designated by Nietzsche in Amor fati, love of one's fate.It is what the old Roman Seneca referred to iin his often quoted saying: Ducentvolentem fata, nolentemtrahunt: 'The Fates lead him who will; him who won't, they drag."

  • S3RAPH1M
    S3RAPH1M

    All religions are "Sects" and Cults. It's better to teach children deism; to Love God, Love his creation, and love our brother/sister-hood, which is 'hu(wo)manity/(wo)mankind'.

  • Lieu
    Lieu

    In the book, Lifton outlines the "Eight Criteria for Thought Reform":

    1. Milieu Control. This involves the control of information and communication both within the environment and, ultimately, within the individual, resulting in a significant degree of isolation from society at large.

    2. Mystical Manipulation. There is manipulation of experiences that appear spontaneous but in fact were planned and orchestrated by the group or its leaders in order to demonstrate divine authority or spiritual advancement or some special gift or talent that will then allow the leader to reinterpret events, scripture, and experiences as he or she wishes.

    3. Demand for Purity. The world is viewed as black and white and the members are constantly exhorted to conform to the ideology of the group and strive for perfection. The induction of guilt and/or shame is a powerful control device used here.

    4. Confession. Sins, as defined by the group, are to be confessed either to a personal monitor or publicly to the group. There is no confidentiality; members' "sins," "attitudes," and "faults" are discussed and exploited by the leaders.

    5. Sacred Science. The group's doctrine or ideology is considered to be the ultimate Truth, beyond all questioning or dispute. Truth is not to be found outside the group. The leader, as the spokesperson for God or for all humanity, is likewise above criticism.

    6. Loading the Language. The group interprets or uses words and phrases in new ways so that often the outside world does not understand. This jargon consists of thought-terminating clichés, which serve to alter members' thought processes to conform to the group's way of thinking.

    7. Doctrine over person. Member's personal experiences are subordinated to the sacred science and any contrary experiences must be denied or reinterpreted to fit the ideology of the group.

    8. Dispensing of existence. The group has the prerogative to decide who has the right to exist and who does not. This is usually not literal but means that those in the outside world are not saved, unenlightened, unconscious and they must be converted to the group's ideology. If they do not join the group or are critical of the group, then they must be rejected by the members. Thus, the outside world loses all credibility. In conjunction, should any member leave the group, he or she must be rejected also[1].

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