How did the dub comments go at the KH? Over here, I thought it was going to be a big hate fest on apostates, but the comments were pretty subdued. When the paragraph recommending an ad-hominem response to comments "critical of the truth" came up, no one latched on to that point specifically. Instead all discussion was centered on the side point of gossip and harmful words within the congregation.
Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-01-08 WT Study (VALUELESS)
by blondie 31 Replies latest jw friends
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Doubting Bro
At the meeting I attended, the PT speaker went about 10 min over (guess he didn't get the memo about the PT being reduced from 45 to 30 min) and they spent so much time bashing "higher education" that by the time they got to the "don't listen to anything negative" portion, time was running out.
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M.J.
I almost forgot. One comment was pretty funny. Someone mentioned that all you need to know is how to read and write. People go to college and can learn unuseful things, like chemistry--people use this stuff to make bombs! Computers? People use this kind of knowledge to steal money! I just rolled my eyes and chuckled. I'm way past the point of being shocked by these guys.
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dinah
Blondie,
You Watchtower comments really helped me see through that stuff the writing department shovels out. Thanks for that.
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AnnOMaly
There were many comments in that WT that made me see red (the part on Higher Ed was one of them) but this was the cheekiest, most blatant piece of slander in the article:
17 Another example of valueless words is found among the religious leaders of Christendom. These claim to speak in God's name, but most of their utterances are not based on the Scriptures, and what they say is basically worthless. Apostates too speak valueless words, claiming to have greater wisdom than the appointed "faithful and discreet slave."
1. 'Most' of what they say is unscriptural and worthless? How dare they! They ride on the backs of Christendom's utterances. They cherry-pick Christendom's 'worthless' utterances to support their own views. And they have made plenty of worthless utterances of their own!
2. Can there be those ('apostate' label aside) who have 'greater wisdom' than the FDS? Well, why not?
"However, genuine anointed Christians do not demand special attention. They do not believe that their being of the anointed gives them special 'insights,' beyond what even some experienced members of the great crowd may have. They do not believe that they necessarily have more holy spirit that their companions of the other sheep have ... Some anointed Christians were even spiritually weak." - w.2007 5/1, p.31
So if anointed and other sheep are on an even playing field as far spirit-directed insights are concerned, then could it conceivably be, that those who disagree with the 'appointed FDS's 'wisdom' might just have some spirit-directed wisdom of their own?
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M.J.
"They ride on the backs of Christendom's utterances."
The WTS makes a big deal about the "new light" they got when they came to understand the meaning of "Babylon The Great"...some time after 1919. (I wish I had a reference but don't have my WT library with me) I recently found the following gem from the 1917 edition of the Scofield Reference Bible (a popular and influential Bible which included dispensationalist-based commentary for every passage).
http://www.studylight.org/com/srn/view.cgi?book=re&chapter=018
Babylon, "confusion," is repeatedly used by the prophets in a symbolic sense ((See Scofield "Isaiah 13:2") ), note 2. Two "Babylons" are to be distinguished in the Revelation: ecclesiastical babylon, which is apostate Christendom, headed up under the Papacy; and political babylon, which is the Beast's confederated empire, the last form of Gentile world-dominion. Ecclesiastical Babylon is "the great whore" [Revelation 17:1] and is destroyed by political Babylon [Revelation 17:15-18] that the beast may be the alone object of worship. ; 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4; Revelation 13:15. The power of political Babylon is destroyed by the return of the Lord in glory. (See "Armageddon,") ; Revelation 16:14; 19:17. The notion of a literal Babylon to be rebuilt on the site of ancient Babylon is in conflict with Isaiah 13:19-22. But the language of Revelation 18:10,16,18 seems beyond question to identify "Babylon," the "city" of luxury and traffic, with "Babylon" the ecclesiastical centre, viz. Rome. The very kings who hate ecclesiastical Babylon deplore the destruction of commercial Babylon. -
bobld
Thanks for the review,Blondie.May I add a few comments?
Q10 Education..So the Attorney (Lawyers), Engineers,Doctors,Nurses,Accountants,Computers programmers,etc at Bethel (World Headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses) have had their minds filled with harmful propaganda.They should be disfellowshipped.
Q14 When the FDS/GB of Jehovah's Witnesses prophecy of the generation that saw the events of 1914 would not die before the end would come.Who is telling half truth and lies.
In 2000 WT end will come before OLD FDS dies off.Oh.new light (b.s.). in 2007 whole new change on FDS.
Q17.They got this one right.The Apostates and Christendom do HAVE MORE WISDOM then the FDS.
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Billy the Ex-Bethelite
Thanks Blondie & previous commenters, including V.
What can I add that hasn't already been said? All in all it's just another dump of shepherd sh!t, salted and served up as sheep food.
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blondie
Yes, doubting bro, the WTS makes a point of saying that there was no punishment for the law against covetousness but makes eating and drinking a capital offense. Shows how they can twist things to their advantage.
The WTS also doesn't see that by pointing 1 finger at others, 3 point back.
Good comments.
Well, MJ, I found out that they were only reading from the paragraph, that people would say the scripture reference, but not read it, and that it was the same 8 people quoting, 5 elders (all there) but only 2 commented, and only 1 elder's wife. They skipped over the apostate material quickly. Most jws don't realize that an apostate is not someone who is df'd or inactive. The WTS keeps it deliberately vague. Based on their definition, Jesus was an apostate.
I guess jws forget that chemistry makes their food, their cars, their carpet, fertilizer for their lawn. I guess they don't use those things, eh?
Doubting Bro, my pet peeve this Sunday was the PT speaker using the phrase "the outline says" as if the crap from the WTS outranks the Bible.
Thanks, dinah. I try with Mary's help to post the written WT material so people who want to can see what the latest load of crap is.
So true, Ann. The WTS still takes quotes from "selected" non-JW Bible commentaries. Why don't they use the Insight book like the rank and file are counseled to?
Well, Ann, even the jw anointed on earth are not on an even playing field with the ones on the GB. No one else in the FDS, even the men, are solicited for their input.
Hey, bobld, isn't that the beauty of the WTS doctrine, it is so flexible, right? If Charles Taze Russell were alive today, he'd be df'd for apostasy.
Yes, Billy, its same old, same old, except when the doctrine starts squeezing them such as the cutoff date of the heavenly calling. It was 1881 then 1935 and now.................
*** jv chap. 28 p. 632 Testing and Sifting From Within ***
It was also reasoned that the end of God’s special favor to natural Israel down to 36 C.E. might point to 1881 as the time when the special opportunity to become part of spiritual Israel would close.
*** w01 5/15 p. 15 ‘Behold! The Great Crowd!’ ***
Their identifying themselves with the great crowd of other sheep indicated that by 1935 the calling of the 144,000 anointed Christians was virtually complete.—Revelation 7:4.
*** w07 5/1 pp. 30-31 Questions From Readers ***
In 1935 the “great crowd” of Revelation 7:9-15 was understood to be made up of “other sheep,” Christians with an earthly hope, who would appear on the world scene in “the last days” and who as a group would survive Armageddon. (John 10:16; 2 Timothy 3:1; Revelation 21:3, 4) After that year, the thrust of the disciple-making work turned to the gathering in of the great crowd. Hence, especially after 1966 it was believed that the heavenly call ceased in 1935. This seemed to be confirmed when almost all who were baptized after 1935 felt that they had the earthly hope. Thereafter, any called to the heavenly hope were believed to be replacements for anointed Christians who had proved unfaithful.
Without a doubt, if one of the anointed unrepentantly falls away, Jehovah does call another individual to take his place. (Romans 11:17-22) However, the number of genuine anointed ones who have become unfaithful is likely not large. On the other hand, as time has gone by, some Christians baptized after 1935 have had witness borne to them that they have the heavenly hope. (Romans 8:16, 17) Thus, it appears that we cannot set a specific date for when the calling of Christians to the heavenly hope ends.
Love Blondie
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LatinxJW
Blondie.......THANK YOU
I thank you for taking time to post WT articles like these up. I am currently writing a letter to my ex-wife and the discouragement of college is one of my topics that will be addressed regarding my children. Your hard work as well as many others on here who put their personal time into this is an invaluable resource for many of us.