Book Club, June 08, The Secret Histroy by Donna Tartt

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  • TheSilence
    TheSilence

    Hello, everyone,

    Welcome to May's book club thread.

    This month we are discussing The Secret History by Donna Tartt. This book was suggested by myself. The format is open to any discussion you wish to have about the topic at hand, but if you're looking for something to stimulate some discussion you are welcome to use the questions below or come up with some of your own for others to answer.

    Possible Topics for Discussion

    1. Richard states that he ended up at Hampden College by a "trick of fate." What do you think of this statement? Do you believe in fate?

    2. When discussing Bacchae and the Dionysiac ritual with his students Julian states, "We don't like to admit it, but the idea of losing control is one that fascinates controlled people such as ourselves more than almost anything. All truly civilized people--the ancients no less than us--have civilized themselves through the willful repression of the old, animal self" (p. 38). What is your opinion of this theory? Are we all atracted to that which is forbidden? Do we all secretly wish we could let ourselves go and act on our animal instincts? Is it true that "beauty is terror"?

    3. "I suppose there is a certain crucial interval in everyone's life when character is fixed forever: for me, it was that first fall term spent at Hampden" (p. 80). Did you have such a "crucial interval" in your life? What/when was it?

    4. In the idyllic beginning it is easy to see why Richard is drawn to the group of Greek scholars. It is only after they begin to unravel that we see the sinister side of each of the characters. Do you think any one of the characters possesses true evil? Is there such a thing as "true evil," or is there something redeeming in everyone's character?

    5. In the beginning of the novel, Bunny's behavior is at times endearing and at others maddening. What was your initial opinion of Bunny? Does it change as the story develops?

    6. At times Bunny, with his selfish behavior, seems devoid of a conscience, yet he is the most disturbed by the murder of the farmer. Is he more upset because he was "left out" of the group or because he feels what happened is wrong?

    7. Henry says to Richard, ". . . my life, for the most part, has been very stale and colorless. Dead, I mean. The world has always been an empty place to me. I was incapable of enjoying even the simplest things. I felt dead in everything I did. . . . But then it changed . . . The night I killed that man" (p. 463). How does Henry's reaction compare to that of the others involved in the murder(s)? Do you believe he feels remorse for what he has done?

    8. Discuss the significance of the scene in which Henry wipes his muddy hand across his shirt after throwing dirt onto Bunny's coffin at the funeral (p. 395).

    9. List some of the signs that foreshadowed the dark turn of events. Would you have seen all the signs that Richard initially misses? Or do you believe Richard knew all along and just refused to see the truth?

    10. Would you have stuck by the group after learning their dark secret?

    11. The author states that many people didn't sympathize with Richard. Did you find him a sympathetic character?

    12. What do you make of Richard's unrequited love for Camilla? Do you feel that she loved him in return? Or did she use his love for her as a tool to manipulate him?

    13. Do you feel the others used Richard as a pawn? If so, how?

    14. What do you feel is the significance of Julian's toast "Live forever" (p. 86)?

    15. The author mentions a quote supposedly made by George Orwell regarding Julian: "Upon meeting Julian Morrow, one has the impression that he is a man of extraordinary sympathy and warmth. But what you call his 'Asiatic Serenity' is, I think, a mask for great coldness" (p. 480). What is your opinion of Julian?

    16. Do you think that Julian feels he is somewhat responsible for the murder of Bunny? Is that why he doesn't turn the group in when he discovers the truth from Bunny's letter?

    17. What causes Julian to flee? Is it because of disappointment in his young protegees or in himself?

    18. While the inner circle of characters (Richard, Charles, Camilla, Henry, Francis, and the ill-fated Bunny) are the center of this tale, those on the periphery are equally important in their own ways (Judy Poovey, Cloke Rayburn, Marion, and so on). Discuss the roles of these characters.

    19. The rights for The Secret History were initially purchased by director/producer/screenwriter Alan J. Paluka (All The President's Men, The Pelican Brief), and they are currently with director Scott Hicks (Shine, Snow Falling on Cedars). What are your feelings about making the novel into a movie? Who would play the main characters if you were to cast it?

    20. What is the meaning of Richard's final dream?

    Next Month

    Next month we will be discussing A Thousand Splended Suns by Khaled Hosseini. This selection was suggested by llbh.

    If you have any book selections you would like added to the list of books to be discussed please send me a pm.

    Last Month

    Last month we discussed Lord of the Flies by William Golding. If you missed last month and would like to read through it or add to it the link is here:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/27/157610/1.ashx

    Thanks,

    Jackie

  • SnakesInTheTower
    SnakesInTheTower
    A Thousand Splended Suns by Khaled Hosseini. This selection was suggested by llbh.

    good selection, I may chime in next month on that one.... I have it and have read it, might even re-read it. (same author as Kite Runner)..which was suggested to me by purplesofa....

    Snakes ()

  • TheSilence
    TheSilence

    Participation would be welcome, Snakes ;)

    As I said last month, I had good reception to the idea so I'm giving this six months... if we don't have at least some participation by then I'll just read on my own ;)

    Jackie

  • John Doe
    John Doe

    I suggest The Trial by Kafka. Great book! ;-)

  • TheSilence
    TheSilence

    Thanks, John Doe, I'll add it to the list.

    Jackie

  • quietlyleaving
    quietlyleaving

    I must read The Secret History - sounds intriguiging - but don't know if I'll finish it in time to comment - going on holdiay this weekend - but will keep your questions in mind

  • TheSilence
    TheSilence

    It's a good book, but it can be a difficult read. I enjoy the story behind it, though. There's no time limit to when you have to comment, ql, any time would be fine ;)

    I'm going to take a stab at one of the questions...

    Jackie

  • TheSilence
    TheSilence
    When discussing Bacchae and the Dionysiac ritual with his students Julian states, "We don't like to admit it, but the idea of losing control is one that fascinates controlled people such as ourselves more than almost anything. All truly civilized people--the ancients no less than us--have civilized themselves through the willful repression of the old, animal self" (p. 38). What is your opinion of this theory? Are we all atracted to that which is forbidden? Do we all secretly wish we could let ourselves go and act on our animal instincts? Is it true that "beauty is terror"?

    In my experience many who hold a great deal of control in their lives need an outlet... something they can participate in where they are not in control. It provides a balance in their lives. I see it work the other way as well. For my entire childhood I felt out of control of the events of my life. I lived in fear of god killing me over petty things and everything felt erratic and out of control. Therefore in my adult life I feel more secure when I'm in control. It is a very heady experience for me. Label me control freak, here I am. And because I enjoy being in control I have, during periods of my life, actively sought out those who seek to give up control. It's a cathartic experience for all involved, in the correct situation. Therefore I can see the truth behind this quote from Julian. There is a part in the book where Henry tells Richard how the experience of the Dionysiac ritual, the experience of being out of control, allowed him the peace of not thinking all the time. The peace of just experiencing. I understand that and find it to be a wonderful line to play across.

    Jackie ~ who is revealing more of herself than is her usual modus operandi.

  • llbh
    llbh

    Jackie,

    I feel so honoured that you have selected A Thousand Splendid Suns, it is a fabulous book. I saw Khaled Hosseini recently in London such s gentle warm and kind man.

    Have read the trial by Kafka when beginning my law degree, it was used as a way of getting us to think of jurisprudence.

    I am going to order the book for this month

    Regards David

  • quietlyleaving
    quietlyleaving

    I live quite close to a bookshop so instead of reading here on JWD I decided to go and buy the book. I've read the first chapter and am going to tackle the first question

    1. Richard states that he ended up at Hampden College by a "trick of fate." What do you think of this statement? Do you believe in fate?

    On page 30 Julian says "But even Plato knew that class and conditioning and so forth have an inalterable effect on the individual. It seems to me that psychology is only another word for what the ancients called fate."

    Although Richard feels that a trick of fate led him to Hampden College, Tartt, the authoress, however, does suggest psychology as the compelling factor in his decision to try to go to Hampden College (and didn't he have to surmount quite a few obstacles).

    She contrasts Richard's boring, mundane, uninspiring city life and its melancholy effect on him on the one hand with the beautiful scenes of Vermont painted by the leaflet that drops out of his book by chance one day. But of course he'd put it there in the first place.

    Personally, if fate can be equated with psychology, then yes I think I'd agree with Julian that it can be seen as that we are almost fatefully "predestined" by our backgounds and the longings they create.

    Well back to the book for me.

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