Few Jehovah's Witnesses bother to GRASP THEIR OWN THEOLOGY!!! (page 2)

S3RAPH1M

The Watchtower Sheeple fear the Gibbering Body.

drew sagan

But, to be fair, relatively few members of any confession bother to grasp their own theology...

lol, fair enough

I think the real comparison to be made though is not between JWs and other contemporary religions, but with the modern JW members and their historical past of just a few decades ago. Each successive generation of JWs is less versed in the 'deeper things' as described by AllTimeJeff. Study books used to be hundreds of pages, no illustrations! No so today. The movement has taken a very hands off approach to teaching its theology in modern times that it has not done in the past.

I believe this suggest that even though their theology and belief structure are not changing per se, they are forming the presentation and frequency in which such things are put forward.

nondescriptex

The fire's gone out, it ain't like it used to be. There used to be more conviction, more sure fire confidence. There are a few who can give you a run for the money. But the passing of 1975, and the 1994 generation change, really took the wind out of their sails. 6,000 years and the thousand year reign and the 7th creative day... it fit together perfectly like a jigsaw puzzle. When that didn't work out, 1914 (607 +2520 days/years) + 70-80 years until the end (Ps 90:10), was so easy to prove, or so it seemed to a JW. I'm skipping details here but you guys know what I'm talking about. Now, nothing is so crisp and absolute. Not even sure what a "generation" is (keep changing the meaning).

disfellowman

as a ms/pioneer knowing several witnesses, i would say your assumptions are mostly false. I would say its the opposite actually. And if it isnt, they will do the research (in non WTS pubs and elsewhere) to find the answer. Im wondering, do i come from a totally unique witness experience? I mean ive been all over the east coast, and other countries, has what i experienced been totally off?

Fadeout

I'd go a step further and say that few Witnesses are aware of (a) the meaning of the word "theology," and (b) the fact that they have one.

disfellowman

the cross thing is interesting. while it is certain true christians shouldnt worship a cross, is it nessecary to insist that jesus wasnt killed on one? I think this is a trap the witness theology has gotten into :( just because it is totally wrong to worship the cross, or use it in any form of worhship, doesnt mean you shouldnt believe he died on one. although it certainly is possible he didnt die on one. But that fact i think is really unknown to us.

bud2114

Excellent points!

Sadly, most devout JW's choose to be naive and care little about the history of the organization or what was once taught. They have been taught that the "light keeps getting brighter" so it is necessary for things to be refined as more "truth" is revealed. Besides, to independently think for yourself and perhaps investigate some of this might be tantamount to questioning the authority of the FDS - God's spirit directed "channel" and that would be an act of disloyalty to God. If an individual is convinced of this fact you can talk till your blue in the face (believe me I've tried) about all the doctrinal flip-flops, the phony logic, or the outright fabrication of facts used to support the unscriptural theories the FDS has speculated on - it makes no difference.

Case in point, I just attended the 3 day "Guided by God's Spirit" convention in our city with non other than Steven Lett (Governing Body Member) as the honored guest. He handled the last part each day which included two new releases on Fri & Sat along with the nauseating part on Sunday "Loyally Serving With Jehovah's Spirit-Directed Organization" in which he discredited all other religions while repeating and reemphasizing the phrase "Jehovah's Spirit-Directed Organization" at least 20 times when referring to Jehovah's Witnesses the one and only true religion. He completed his part by outlining 3 "proofs" that God's spirit is directing the organization before ending the convention with a final prayer. What a blow-hard this guy is. Yet, you should have seen how "moved" most in attendance were afterward and even tonight at the bookstudy.

I'm telling you, it took them awhile, but they have found the magic formula. As long as they keep hammering away that the FDS is "spirit directed" and this point is continually reinforced in the minds of the faithful, and that to question this is to question God, they can get away with anything. Forget the past, and the JW Theology, all that matters now is complete allegience to the FDS. This is their current strategy and it seems to be working - I saw and heard it with my own eyes & ears. It's frustrating for me personally because I have much family heavily involved in this thing and I am doing all that I can to help them see the "light" - the real light (truth) about this destructive cult. I am convinced that the credibility of the FDS in the mind must be destroyed before any other point will be accepted. This, of course, is easier said than done.

justhuman

Indeed Terry

Most of them are in complete ingnorance, and just accept the "new light" without arguing. Complete brainwashed people. Once I talked with a friend of mine that still is a JW and when I pointed out the faultiness of 607 he just said "I don't understand it". While on my behalf I was trying hard to show that 1914 is vital date for the WT. Without 1914 there is no FDS no 1919 that supposely Jesus pick them up as the best Christians in the word.

Most of the JWs ignore the changes of the FDS without even thinking why. Just take the 1995 generation change and sheep and goats. We are talking of a major change plus adding the new understanding of the generation in 2008 and the opening of the closed heavenly door. If those changes didn't rock the JW's to leave in mulititudes from the WT then nothing will do. It was also amazing the fact that WT when came out with the new "light" completely ignored the pre-1995 generation understanding and didn't mention this at all.

How cleverly George Orwell said "everything faded into the mist, the lie was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became truth". It is unbelievable how JW's are completely ignorant about their false prophecies, flip flop doctrines, Russell's connection with occult, Rutherford's Beth Sarim, and the content of the "millions will never die". You don't need much efford to prove to a JW that WT is wrong. Only their publications is enough to prove it. The point is for a JW to open the close doors of its mind

When I asked the elders who gave you the Bible they couldn't answer.At the end I ask them "how can they accept a Bible that came out from apostate Christendom(Orthodox/Catholic Church)?" Or how can they accept a translation that is rediculous and has so many differences from the Original Greek text. Why did they replace the word cross with wood or hanging by a wood? Why so much fuzz about it and not keeping the original Greek Stavros for cross? How is it possible for us the Greeks that we had the privelage through our language and civilization to expand Christianity into the world, we had the New Testament written in our language, to accept some people from U.S telling us HOW SHOULD THE BIBLICAL TEXTS BEEN TRANSLATED OR THE MEANING OF THE GREEK WORDS?

For a JW the main issue to SEE were is heading, other wise they will just repeat what the FDS told them to believe as curent truth, no matter if the "truth of today is tommorows lie"

Mr. Majestic

I agree with a lot of people who have posted. I don’t think that the societies theology is all that important to your average JW these days.

I have worked for a few of them recently, and have engaged them in conversation about their theology, and I just kept getting a shrugged shoulder response.

One told me that he wasn’t worried about how the society works out all the dates because that was the GB’s responsibility to Jehovah to get those right. Didn’t bother these ones that dates have changed, and I would say that the common reason why they didn’t worry was because they were more worried about remaining faithful so as to not lose out on everlasting life. In both the cases that I am referring to, both brothers would reiterate out loud that "it is the truth, I know it is the truth". Then they would go on to say that there is no one else that is doing the preaching work, and things alike…..It was more to convince themselves than it was me…very perplexing behaviour……….

Wrong dates and changed teaching will soon not hold any weight with a JW. Hitting the criteria is taking over as the most predominant part of their teaching. That and not asking questions…..Total mind lock…..

White Dove

Terry,

That's an excellent analysis!

The first generation of my family that bought into it fit nicely in # 1.

The second generation fits into # 2.

The third fits # 3.

My generation, the forth, is trying to clean up the mess from # 3. I had such a hard time trying to prove that we had the truth. I couldn't do it. I was not talented with all of the doctrines that a lot of elders' kids were. It seemed as though they spoke like lawyers. They seemed soooo smart and I felt sooo stupid.

My kids' generation, the fifth, is seeing the WTS as so much crap and waste of time.

Few Jehovah's Witnesses bother to GRASP THEIR OWN THEOLOGY!!!

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