by Kent 82 Replies latest jw friends
Even though he had the copyright of the translation, which I don't believe is correct, the author always have the copyright of the work, it isn't illegal to store it on your harddisk.
It is illegal to publish it without some kind of agreement.
Cheers
Scorpyo
Which one do ou mean?
Actually he wrote first and it went on to the paper. He wrote it himself and got it in the paper. AFterwards, he put it on his site. Nothing wrong with it.
Or it is interviews with him in the press... Nothing wrong with that either.
I am really sorry, but I don't understand all this talk about him. He doesn't attack anyone else than cults on his site.
Cheers
Scorpyo
Hi Scorpio,
she says the guy ask for documentations about why the emeter doesn't work. Which is not exactly the same that what you say.True, my english is not my mothertongue.
He for example didn't sued his neighbor but asked for the law about it (still from what my wife translated).So he asked this but he has never the goal to sued his neighbor ?
it isn't illegal to store it on your harddisk.Try to save on your hard-disk this :
http://www.malka.fr/sectes/fonctions.pdf
It is illegal to publish it without some kind of agreement.This is why, when someone make a translation, he indicate where he has take this materiel, this is what i made on my website. Malka has never said where he take the information of his webpage, even if we know that it come from the Watchtower Observer, this is not very kind, but i have nothing against that, unfortunatelly when someone quote one of his work from a newspaper, he sued him, not really kind too.
Or it is interviews with him in the press... Nothing wrong with that either.You are missing the point. For me and other Malka was not a problem, however, but if you tell him kindly when he make a simple mistake this guy become angry and use all he can to make you some problems. That's all, he is not dangerous, he is simple too proud of him and he is not really a good specialist on the cult's problem because he make regularly some mistake. This is not a problem with his work, even if it is second hand information that he want to say that it is his work, this is a problem with his personality, that's all.
Danish ex-jw, Kent, me, all we have collaborate with him, but he wants to be more that he is, too proud of him. That's all. So Malka is not my problem.
When i have read the problem between Dialogos Counselling and him, i have ask directly a danish ex-jw what is the problem, and when Cyril has found that i have contact with a Danish ex-jw, he has become sarcastic and has refused a real dialog. That's all. This story is really stupid, but this is what is coming when you deal with Cyril Malka.
He doesn't attack anyone else than cults on his site.False he has accused in his french's site the danish ex-jw to collaborate with the scientology and Dialogos Counselling of violate of copyright. Exactly what the scientology make with his opposer and the Watchtower too with Kent.(for the second accusation)
Second he has promote his works as psycholog-analyst bye some very expensive conference of him. If he has not the capacity to be that, and this part of his life, for instance, i know nothing on it, he could be a fake.
In my personal approach of him, i don't care of him and he don't care of me and the works against the Watchtower go on. But if he continue to make some problem to kent or ex-jw in denmark, i could be more interesting on this subject.
The only thing new and interesting he has made: The translation of one of CLH's manual is not useful because I have not the autorisation of use it to make some comment on it. To be more explicit, i have not ask him the autorisation, simply because i have provide him a webpage on baptism that i have translate him in french to help him. One month after, he has criticised one of my translation, because the newspaper from where it came is a popular newspaper and not an autoritative newspaper. When i asked him to provide me some document on this case that he told me he had in danish, he didn't want translate it in french or english and at the end of this story, he didn't want even to give me it, because i have said that in Danish, i can make nothing with it.
Bye
Charles
Hi
[quote]True, my english is not my mothertongue.[quote]
Me neither, I'm Danish.
:-), but here, you say something which makes look the guy as an idiot, by misquoting.
I have made a bit of research, as I know some of the man's writing (some of his papers are actually at the university of Aarhus). You also say, the guy isn't working in France as a psychologist but as software salesman. This isn't true either. After just a reseach on Copernic, on the french web, you find newspapers article. My wife translation is "A psy against cults" The link is:
http://archives.nrco.com/2001/2001.0804/societe/10777754.htm.htm
[quote] Have you read the answer of Morlach ? [quote]
No sorry, I just checked what you talked about, and actually you misquoted quite a bit.
[quote]Why the e-meter is not scientifically corect is a root of the fight against scientology. The links that Morlach has provided are freely and widely knowed by all anticultist; How could you be a "specialist" against scientology and don't know that. [quote]
I don't know. Malka doesn't write any reasons for his search.
[quote] So he asked this but he has never the goal to sued his neighbor ? [quote]
You don't know that either... It seems to me, that whatever the guy says, you find something. Anyone can dig anything up abnout anyone and misuse it,as you do right now. Those are BTW the methods used by Scientology :-)
[quote]Try to save on your hard-disk this :
http://www.malka.fr/sectes/fonctions.pdf [quote]
How do I do? I can't see the menu "save"?
[quote] This is why, when someone make a translation, he indicate where he has take this materiel, this is what i made on my website. Malka has never said where he take the information of his webpage, even if we know that it come from the Watchtower Observer, [quote]
Well, it is told on the Danish site (not much of a help to you, I admit).
As I told you, I have worked with his material, and I received a copy of those papers as I needed it for a study. Those were original papers (and there was more of it than what is put online, this was the reason why I got another copy). It was a Xerox, of course, but it was obviously original papers with notes from the course, original letters and all. It didn't look at all as a print from the Net.
[quote] You are missing the point. For me and other Malka was not a problem, however, but if you tell him kindly when he make a simple mistake this guy become angry and use all he can to make you some problems. [quote]
I couldn't tell. You can see in a Danish group, when he made a mistake in a discussion about GB and someone told him, he actually excused himself in public...
Again, here we could say: A "specialist who makes mistake in public, how horrible!" as you say when you read, he is asking questions... No way to win in this case :-)
[quote] That's all, he is not dangerous, he is simple too proud of him and he is not really a good specialist on the cult's problem because he make regularly some mistake. [quote]
Who don't... You just made a few yourself when you informed on him... A quick check on his name (in french, danish or even englaish) gives in fact a lot of hits which could explain a lot. Was it mistakes you made?
[Quote]When i have read the problem between Dialogos Counselling and him, i have ask directly a danish ex-jw what is the problem, and when Cyril has found that i have contact with a Danish ex-jw, he has become sarcastic and has refused a real dialog. [Quote]
What is Dialogos Counselling? I know it has helped Scientology against Malka and that it doesn't exist any longer, but else... I can try to ask my friends in the press and see?
[quote] That's all. This story is really stupid, but this is what is coming when you deal with Cyril Malka. [Quote]
I have never had problems. But admit, when you misuse a lot of what he is saying or writing, and send false informations about him, you can't expect the man to have a kind of cooperation, can you?
[quote]False he has accused in his french's site the danish ex-jw to collaborate with the scientology and Dialogos Counselling of violate of copyright. [quote]
Well, the first thing *is* actually correct. The ex-jw did actually helped Scientology against him. I find this real stupid from the ex-jw's. If it had been me, I wouldn't have hold it to one little note (it is on his Danish site too). We talked about that part and he send me the letters actually. I can make a scan and mail them to you, if you wish.
For the copyright stuff, I don't know. I can ask DJF (Dansk Journalist Forbund) and find out of more.
[quote] Second he has promote his works as psycholog-analyst bye some very expensive conference of him. If he has not the capacity to be that, and this part of his life, for instance, i know nothing on it, he could be a fake.[quote]
Can you give me the documentation for this one?
[quote] In my personal approach of him, i don't care of him and he don't care of me and the works against the Watchtower go on. But if he continue to make some problem to kent or ex-jw in denmark, i could be more interesting on this subject. [quote]
Well, actually, since it is ex-jw who help Scientology against him, I am not sure he is the one making troubles.
[quote] The only thing new and interesting he has made: The translation of one of CLH's manual is not useful because I have not the autorisation of use it to make some comment on it. To be more explicit, i have not ask him the autorisation, simply because i have provide him a webpage on baptism that i have translate him in french to help him. One month after, he has criticised one of my translation, because the newspaper from where it came is a popular newspaper and not an autoritative newspaper. When i asked him to provide me some document on this case that he told me he had in danish, he didn't want translate it in french or english and at the end of this story, he didn't want even to give me it, because i have said that in Danish, i can make nothing with it. [quote]
Well... It seems you misinform about him too, so is there anything strange in the fact that he just doesn't get pal with you at once?
Again, I'll find out of more with DJF, but I don't agree with your description. If he was *that* terrible, none had to misuse small citations from Usenet or lie to show how horrible he was, would they?
Cheers
Scorpyo
I was surfing and searching for informations about the Watchtower Inc., when I found this forum. Not boring, I must say. WT must really love you guys ;) And you have all come together? What a party - it is always good to find kindred spirits.
You need a few corrections, though. I will not try to convince you about whether or not my husband is an expert. You have all made up your mind, and it is good. But just for the record, I will take some of the minor details:
First, no, Cyrils middlename is not Lykkebo and has not been since 1996. Actually, at that time it was spelled with a '-'.
As for the articles from foreign countries, they are not just translations, but inspiration. You can easily use news like that to base an article upon, if you take the essence and mix it up with your personal knowledge. This can perhaps be hard to understand for someone who is not used to write himself. No-one can ever say to have had an idea all by himself, as there is often someother guy who had had the same idea, perhaps at the same time, perhaps earlier. I myself have success with my books about IT, but I have also learned it once. From books, from help-files, from friends. Anyway, it is my words, and my writing now.
Third, no, Cyril does not live in Tours, just like he didn't live in Copenhagen, when he lived in Denmark, but in Roskilde 30 km from the capital. He does, however, live in Touraine, the most beautyful part of the world.
No, Chasson, Cyril didn't become 'strange and aggressive' with you when he found out, you had a secret Danish contact. In fact he told me he couldn't use you as a source, way back in the time where you were still a TJ - a Jehovas Withness. Because he couldn't rely on the things you said. I can see that you are very proud about your knowledge about Cyril, but... you should go deeper into things, if you would like to look serious and grown up.
Søren Bo Henriksen, you continously use the methods of Jehovas Withnesses. You do not tell a lie, but you tell the thruth in a manner that makes people think something else than what you actually writes. Here, for instance, you write:
Well he have never been nor recieved an education as psychologist in Denmark, and I gues that it's same in France, so how can he stop work as somethis he have never been??You used the same method on your former homepage, where you even got a fax from the French embassy, I think it was, telling that Cyril did not obtain a psychologic education in France.
No, it is all very true. Cyril has never been - and will never be - a psychologist. He has never boasted to be one, as you also very well know. He has, however, told that he is a psycho-analyst, which everybody in Denmark has the right to call himself, just like everyone has the rigth to call himself a "revisor" or therapist. So, he has a title that is worth nothing in Denmark, but is recognised in France. Nevertheless, he has been chosen to help in the court against the Scientology. His title may be useless, but his knowledge isn't, which is the most important, when it comes to the strugle against the cults. A strugle, we are all part of, aren't we? Or it is a strugle to see, which has the largest d...? Excuse me, gentlemen! I would suggest you to get the target in sight.
No, Chasson, Cyrils "mothertongue", as you call it, is not Danish, even though he writes and talks it very well indead. He is born in France and had lived there till he was 18. In Denmark BTW, we have this proverb saying you should never through rocks when you live in a glass house. French *is* a difficult language, and even I have found several severe faults in writings from common frenchmens. But again - I cannot see the point. Unless what counts is to hit the man as much as possible, and find as many faults in him as possible. In that way, you will all be better, isn't it right?
The supporting group for the ex-JW's did actually help the scientology, as Cyril claims. Again, SBH didn't lie, but told the thruth, but the truth was: No, Cyril Malka didn't work as a councellor, when I was in charge of the supporting group. This is true. But what SBH didn't tell was that Cyril worked as a councellor *before* SBH got in charge. And he answered the very same day he received the letter from Scientology, even though the letter said that the piece of information should be used in court. Is this a way to fight the cults?
Chasson, you write:
Second he has promote his works as psycholog-analyst bye some very expensive conference of him.I am sorry. I do not understand what you are writing here, so it could be true, it could be false.
Chasson again:
If you can read the french's newsgroup, he love send people in court, he has assigned his last provider, a telephon's company, his neighbour because this man has a loudly dog, and is passionated with copyright, make a dejanews's search...Again I haven't got the faintest idea of what you are talking, except for the "last provider", I guess you meen the company that hosted some of our sites? Which is correct. The man told us he could host .dk-domains, so we payed, but unfortunately this was not thrue, so ABSIUM owns us 2500 F. Some people just say, okay, this is really sorry for me, the world is mean, and just sits down and cry. Other people reacts. We react, so we got a company to try to collect our money, which unfortunately wasn't possible. But this man still hosts domaines. Is it fair, do you think? Now a lot of other people will be cheated to, and has been in fact, which you can easily confirm on the news.
Chasson: You know nothing about who is friends with Cyril. Nothing.
Chasson, you say:
False he has accused in his french's site the danish ex-jw to collaborate with the scientology and Dialogos Counselling of violate of copyright.As the answer from SBH has been included in the papers from court, we have the proof of his collaboration with the Scientolgy. We have also from the source itself that Dialogos Counselling was threatened with a court if they did not pay a large fine of about 15.000 F. But the association Dialogos Counselling ceased to exist, the homepage was taken down, and wherefore the claim has been postponed. You might be able to confirm this with the Danish syndicate for journalists.
I guess this was all for tonight, folks. Now you can go on playing ;)
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Britt Malka
www.malka.dk - www.etsectera.com
Oh Britt, i have no time to answer you tonight...
No, Chasson, Cyril didn't become 'strange and aggressive' with you when he found out, you had a secret Danish contact. In fact he told me he couldn't use you as a source, way back in the time where you were still a TJ - a Jehovas Withness. Because he couldn't rely on the things you said. I can see that you are very proud about your knowledge about Cyril, but... you should go deeper into things, if you would like to look serious and grown up.Unfortunatelly, it was not at this time that the problem occured, but on your mailing-list when you have said that some scientology's institution growed up in Denmark than in fact one of this institution has closed. Before that, Cyril was kind with me, but when i have said that i have a contact in Denmark (this is not Cyril who found it) who said to me the contrary of what you (Briit) have said, and that it was true, at this time Cyril has never forgotten.
I am sorry. I do not understand what you are writing here, so it could be true, it could be false.You think that 1500 francs for three hour is not expensive. Do you think that in three hours you can give advice to a man who has a nervous breakdown to make him better. Three hours to stop pills ?
Chasson: You know nothing about who is friends with Cyril. Nothing.Is it a menace ? I am scared.
Is Saturn has some influences on th Nasdaq tomorrow, Britt ?
http://www.businessastrologers.com/supportingmembers.htm
Is Mercure has previous the mini-crack after the WTC' tragedy ?
Bye
Charles
Nor I hav time tonight to give answers, but I'll return.
BTW, don't be surprised if Scorpyo expose himself to be the one and only Cyril Malka. ;-)
Cheers
SBR Henriksen
Just remember this:
n fact he told me he couldn't use you as a source, way back in the time where you were still a TJ - a Jehovas Withness. Because he couldn't rely on the things you said.Now read this in french:
http://www.malka.com/sectes/nouvelles2000.html#vote
Ok Cyril has said that in France voting null is OK. But where he has the info ? In France, we had never had the QFR in the Watchtower because three month before this annoucement a letter was read in all the congregation saying the same things that the Watchtower.
Is Cyril has gone to a meeting in France ?
Now dear Cyril or Britt, you want to know in what occasion i have had a contact in Denmark. This was at this time. A danish's ex-jw wrote me to told me if it was true that in France voting was OK, because Cyril used to say error on JW. And how i know my personnal e-mail, because cyril has provided it to him.
You are true Britt, i was not reliable when i was a JW, hut when i became an ex-jw there was a time where Cyril found me very reliable.
Your explanation is incorrect, try another one.
PS: I will answered to Cyril when he would have the courage to post with his real identity. Thanks in advance.
Bye
Charles
Hi SBR
BTW, don't be surprised if Scorpyo expose himself to be the one and only Cyril Malka. ;-)I will be surprised. :-)
Scorpyo
Hi Charles,
PS: I will answered to Cyril when he would have the courage to post with his real identity. Thanks in advance.Don't you think it's funny, that you never have "time" to answer when it seems, you are on a wrong way? But you have time to write more trash?
... and that you prefer to accuse people?
Well, if you have something to argue with, you're welcome to answer, or you're welcome not to.
Cheers
Scorpyo
