Hats off, hats on.. Hat tipping...head covering

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  • caliber
    caliber

    Many women even on JWD have complained about the hat or head covering rule (WT) with regard to teaching men etc.

    Well how about the reverse ...I was once asked to remove my hat at a service arrangement I simply forgot I had it on !

    Still isn't all this hat etiquette of human tradition ?

    Hats are tipped, (or doffed) slightly lifting the hat off your forehead, when meeting a lady (remove your hat if you stop to talk), or to "say" to anyone, male or female – thank you, excuse me, hello, goodbye, you’re welcome or how do you do.

    Tipping of the hat is a conventional gesture of politeness. This hat tipping custom has the same origin as military saluting, which came from the raising of medieval Knights face visors to show friendliness.

    Hats are worn less now, but at the turn of the 20 th century, all adults wore hats whenever they left the house. It was a matter of good personal hygiene, since hats were a protection from industrial dirt.

    Hats are removed when inside, except for places that are akin to public streets, like lobbies, corridors, and crowded elevators (non-residential). In a public building (where there are no apartments) the elevator is considered a public area.

    Hats are removed for the National Anthem, passing of the Flag and funeral processions, outdoor weddings, dedications, and photographs

    In places of worship coverings are required for both men and women in Muslim mosques, and Sikh temples.

    Men are required to cover their heads in Jewish synagogues, but only married women wear hats or scarves representing a display of her increased modesty towards those other than the woman's husband.

    It is acceptable for women to wear hats in Christian churches, (it was once required, but the custom has all but disappeared) but disrespectful for men to wear them

    So the hat custom is inconsistent across religious and national custom lines is it not ? Your thoughts please .

    Caliber

  • undercover
    undercover

    Your post jogged my failing memory...

    Wasn't it wrong for JW men to tip their hats to ladies way back when hats were more common? I vaguely remember people talking about his when I was a kid...

  • caliber
    caliber

    Here's another article on hat manners origin

    It's a matter of history.. The "tipping" or removal of a hat is said to have originated from the same place as the military salute. Knights would lift the visor (face guard) on their helm, showing their face as a sign of respect and their empty hand as an indication they meant no harm. This tradition evolved into the modern military salute. Similarly, the removal of a helm (helmet) or other headgear indoors and as a sign of respect or reverence is said to have originated before the Dark Ages. This tradition was carried on throughout the centuries by men of arms (soldiers) and nobility, as well as their staff, servants and slaves. After the Dark Ages, manners and etiquette grew to become an essential part of everyday life and the conventions of hat etiquette became ingrained in civilized culture

    PORTIONS EXCERPTED FROM THE "COWBOY CHRONICLE" & THE ESSENTIAL HANDBOOK OF VICTORIAN ETIQUETTE

    Caliber

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    When I was in, (Oklahoma City) - in the mid 60s to mid 70s, hats (by that I mean "normal businessmens hats") were very old-fashioned), therefore never seen.

    Cowboy hats, however, were popular in OKC (duh) and strictly verboten to JW youth. I did not even know this until I wore my Stetson and Boots out in service one morning with the CO because it was literally blowing snow at 35mph and cold enough to freeze you solid.

    Go ahead, ask me just how cold it was. I dare you.

  • caliber
    caliber

    How cold was it ? Did you have any steel bridges near by ?

    Caliber

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    Colder than a Nebraska well-digger's tail with a witchy wife in a brass brazierre who got locked into the nuclear physics lab during one of those absolute zero molecular parity experiments.

    That's how cold.

    Or, for you air-cooled car enthusiasts, about as cold as YRS2TRULY after he got sent home from service by the CO wet and frosty only to re-discover that his Corvair heater was not working because he had disconnected the heater boxes to put on a tubular header system.

    He was also soon to discover that his defroster was similarly affected and had to drive with the window open and scrape the windshield continually.

    That's how cold.

    I need a brandy right here in July 7 Dallas Tx. just thinking about it all.

  • caliber
    caliber

    Undercover,

    The thing is that both hat tipping and hat removal have the same origin, so how can you enforce one but not

    the other ?

    Caliber

  • caliber
    caliber

    Don't we have at least one women that wants to vent about the asinine head covering rule ?

    1 Corinthians 11:13-155 (New International Version)

    13 Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14 Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, 15 but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. 16 If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice—nor do the churches of God.

    Caliber

  • yknot
    yknot

    Yep the Faithful Slavebugger has an opinion on this too!

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    w524/15pp.254-256QuestionsFromReaders***

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    FromReaders

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    Is it proper for men to tip their hats to women?—G.S.,Missouri.

    Some say hat-tipping started in the days of armored knights. In a book on customs we read: "In the presence of his superior officer the ordinary soldier would indicate his inferiority by removing his protecting helmet. Until the day that armor was laid aside forever no man dared appear helmeted before his king. Again habit became custom, and when equals met each knight removed his metal casque out of respect to the other." Another book on the subject indicates it started even before that time: "Some authorities suppose that this custom did not originate until the days of chivalry and knighthood during the Middle Ages, but there is evidence that it was common among the Greeks, Romans and certain other ancient peoples. At any rate, it is believed that later it became customary to remove the headgear to show deference to a superior or as a mark of respect to a person of distinction. It was only a step further to lift the headdress as an act of politeness or gallantry to ladies. After the introduction of men’s hats a few centuries ago, raising the hat or completely removing it became a general method of greeting women. The practice retains some of its earlier significance and many people still take off their hats to salute distinguished persons of either sex. Respect for the national flag is shown in the same manner."

    Incidentally, not only is patriotic significance given to this gesture as shown by its being done for the flag, but also religious significance is accorded to it in that Catholic men tip their hats when they pass the Catholic church. They do this as an act of worship toward the bread and wine that is inside the church and which according to their belief becomes the actual flesh and blood of Christ. So in doing this they believe they are paying homage to Jesus Christ, who they think is inside the church in the consecrated wafer.

    Man and woman were not created equal in power and glory; the man came first and was given special prerogatives. As Jehovah is the head over his wifely organization, and as Christ is the head over his espoused church, so the man is the head over the woman. It is the woman that is commanded to show respect and recognition of the man’s position of headship, and women who rebel at it are not so much rebelling against men as they are against God.—Gen. 3:16; 1 Cor. 11:2-10; Eph. 5:33.

    But in his world Satan has reversed matters. Starting in Eden, he has pushed the woman ahead of the man, exalted her above man and used her to bring about the downfall of men dedicated to Jehovah. He has flouted God by reversing the position of the sexes. But he is very subtle about it, camouflaging his work under the guise of harmless custom. Many customs are harmless, but when they contradict a theocratic principle Satan is behind it to discredit God. He is a past master at such deception. (2 Cor. 11:14) In this particular matter of hat-tipping he appeals to the vanity of women and the so-called gentlemanly qualities of men, and any man who does not comply with the subtle custom is considered crude and discourteous, disrespectful of womanhood. So out of a fear of what others may think the majority fall into conformity.—Prov. 29:25.

    To refrain from tipping the hat to a woman does not mean one disrespects her. Frequently it is the ones who are excessively courteous and gallant to women who show the least respect for womanhood. They use these flattering gestures and forms of outward courtesy hypocritically, as an opening wedge for improper advances that ultimately show disrespect and lead to misuse of women. It is not good to flatter people, to turn their head; it is to their harm. Specifically, why would a woman want this special show of respect from a man? One woman said in response to this question: "You don’t know how important it makes a woman feel to have a man tip his hat to her." That is sufficient reason for Christians to refrain from the custom. It is not in the interests of the individual to make him feel important, whether the individual is male or female.

    Some might argue that the friendly nod of the head came from the practice of bowing—but the nod is given regardless of sex, by both men and women. It does not exalt the woman. If hat-tipping were done by both men and women to each other, as mutual greeting and show of respect for each other, at least it would not be exalting one above the other. When a customary show of respect is performed between men as well as between man and woman, when it does not set the woman apart for special honor because of her sex, then it does not seem Scripturally objectionable. Hat removal would be too inconvenient for the woman? Then why is it the man that is supposed to rise when a woman enters a room or comes to or leaves the table, and never the woman? Is it too inconvenient again? Is she pinned to the chair, as the hat is pinned to her head? What custom does exist whereby women show respect to men? The absence of any is not just by chance, but is by satanic design to untheocratically elevate the woman above the man. In many ways Satan has taken the woman from the position assigned her by God, taken her from the home and its duties and put her into politics and commerce and religious leadership, and thereby caused much of the modern breakdown on the family front.—Heb. 13:4; Rev. 2:20.

    The surface courtesies that are flattering to human vanity are not what real Christian women want; instead they cherish the respect and love of one Christian toward another, and which are shown in weightier ways than the untheocratic customs of Satan’s lustful world. Both men and women should stay in the place God assigned them, in human relationships and divine worship. Only such as are content with these assigned places will live in the new world. Open or subtly disguised creature worship and exaltation will have no place there. It has no place with true Christians now.

    There is more if someone has the June 20, 1934 Golden Age...page 594

  • Hortensia
    Hortensia

    The head covering requirement for women in church is a sign of submission to men and god. Screw that.

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