The real me

by Junction-Guy 56 Replies latest jw friends

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  cognizant dissident

  Overall this is a very tame bunch.

  Well, we are a bunch of ex-JW's after all! How wild are we gonna get? About the worst insult on this board is to tell someone they are still thinking like a JW.
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  Junction-Guy

  LoL so true Cog
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  Sunspot

  I have not been around here very much lately and I have most likely missed some heated arguments and catfights. I WILL say that as long as I have known you here...you have been a guy that had personal beefs (don't we ALL?) but nothing that struck me as outstanding or out of line. You have always been nice to ME so I would certainly have no problem with you, LOL!

  We all need a pat on the head at times, don't we?

  hugs,

  Annie
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  cognizant dissident

  If we get really mad we might roll up some magazines and swat each other with them. Or smack someone upside the head with our old book bags. God, we were all a bunch of nerds, weren't we? Can we all agree on that?
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  Hortensia

  probably what turns people off, JG, is that you come across as incredibly needy. Needy gets tiresome now and then. And, just because people disagree with you, they aren't necessarily "bad." You said to someone, "you were one of the bad guys." Just because someone disagrees and calls you on your shit, doesn't make them bad.
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  Junction-Guy

  Hortensia, apparently you didn't read my previous post.
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  FlyingHighNow

  I posted this on another thread today, JG. A few brief comments came up about the CHL thread and you. After I said this, no more was said. I hope you won't take any of this the wrong way. I am pretty sure I said some of this to you in person.

  When I was in Knoxville for three months, I had the opportunity to have coffee with JG a few times. He really is a very nice person. He's intelligent and very funny: great sense of humor. I think his confusion and standing with homosexuality is influenced by the WTBTS and what has been ingrained in him since he was a child. I know he is not gay. He really loves his wife Amanda and had a very healthy relationship with her in regards to the homosexuality question. I believe like a lot of us, he probably falls somewhere in the blurry areas between exactly hetero and definitely bisexual. But like many of us, he is very close to the hetero end of the spectrum. The thing is, a lot of men who are raised in very fundamentalist type religions who find themselves noticing other men are attractive, it confuses the hell out of them. To notice that someone of your own gender is attractive or sexy doesn't mean you want to go to bed with them. But if you've been raised to think that being homo or bi sexual is an evil bad no no, then it can really tie your brain in knots. And JG's brain is full of painful knots. I think most of you would really enjoy his company. He had me laughing so hard that I thought my sides would split.

  I will add to this, JG, you have such sweet and soulful eyes. You have a very nice smile. Your love for Amanda is very obvious. You are weighed down so much by the injustice of the governing body and what their religion did to your family and marriage and how they treat others. I know that you have taken what you felt were slights so very hard. There is a sadness about you. I know you can shake it someday, somehow. You are fun to be with. You have such a fun sense of humor, especially about bringing the org. down. I wish people could know you like I do. I wish I could just take some velvet tweezers and gently remove the pain from your soul. It's pain that you express. And your health, you really do need to take good care of your health. I know that when I don't feel well, I tend to take things much harder.
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  Junction-Guy

  Thank you for sharing that Flyinhighnow, I wasn't aware you had posted that already. Your post put a smile on my face and has really made my day. I just wish I was in a better mindset when we hung out here in Knoxville, maybe we could have become even closer friends or even more.
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  cognizant dissident

  Interesting points about the WTBTS influencing our attitudes about homosexuality (or hetero, for that matter), FHN. I think it is probably very normal for women to sometimes have fantasies about other women and men about men, just like we have sometimes have fantasies about threesomes, orgies, or even rape. That doesn't mean we would do any of those things if we had the opportunity, or even that we want to do them. It is just the type of thoughts that run through all human beings heads because we are all sexual beings from the time we are born and we all have wild imaginations.

  However, the WTBTS, teaches us that even our thoughts can be wrong and wicked and that we are wrong or wicked for having them. They teach thoughts can be sins, just like behaviours can be sins. I can just picture some JW teenage boy or young man having such a fantasy or even an inadvertent dream, and then thinking there is something wrong with him and wondering if he could be gay and then torturing himself endlessly about it. In an ideal world, he would be able to talk to someone who could tell him, "hey, it's no big deal. Fantasies or even an experimental homosexual experience doesn't mean your gay. (In some cases, it might, or maybe bi, but either way, it's OK) It's just one part of the gamut of human sexual experience and there isn't any right or wrong about it.

  Cog
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  amicus

  Overall this is a very tame bunch.

  Well, we are a bunch of ex-JW's after all! How wild are we gonna get? About the worst insult on this board is to tell someone they are still thinking like a JW.

  Baby, you have no idea! The wildest are often those who have recently gained freedom. We do have our bouncers here, so your point is valid. Distract those bouncers though for a time...and we would see some interesting extremes.