by BurnTheShips 19 Replies latest jw friends
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According to what I read the state holds back the coming of the Overman. That is what this text is telling me. I think it has a strong link with the other thread. I am still studying this.
My understanding is that the development of the "overman" happens through and despite the "state". Relgion and the state self destruct while the overman throws dice and affirms what hasn't been affirmed but brings into affirmation- in a nutshell
His anti-socialist rants only start in the 1880s as he saw socialism as the secular heir of christianity. His dismissal of socialism is inextricably intertwined with his critique of the Gospel and Paul's writings and it's impossible to seperate both.
Hence, ni dieu, ni maître.
His anti-socialist rants only start in the 1880s as he saw socialism as the secular heir of christianity. His dismissal of socialism is inextricably intertwined with his critique of the Gospel and Paul's writings and it's impossible to seperate both.
Hence, ni dieu, ni maître.
Cool.
But "Dieu est mort".
Maitre isn't.
We need to kill maitre.
BTS
But "Dieu est mort".
Really?
Really?
In the secular West, largely, yes.
BTS
Should contemporary political theory actually still deal with an old-fashioned notion as "the state?"
We need to kill maitre.
Here's how Foucault would handle this:
"We need to cut off the king's head. In political theory that has still to be done."
In the "secular West", God's death has gone hand in hand with the master's death (of course not in countries where both God and the Master are still alive). Power in secular countries is much more decentralized (with those nasty sub- and supranational checks some countries refuse to recognize (cf. ICC and Bashir)) than in the early modern days and, consequently, the notion of a centralized sovereign state (as an aggressor?) is out of date.
In the "secular West", God's death has gone hand in hand with the master's death (of course not in countries where both God and the Master are still alive).
Nietzsche does not seem to combine the two deaths. A new master is worshipped when the old one dies:
Yea, it findeth you out too, ye conquerors of the old God! Weary ye became
of the conflict, and now your weariness serveth the new idol!
Power in secular countries is much more decentralized (with those nasty sub- and supranational checks some countries refuse to recognize (cf. ICC and Bashir)) than in the early modern days and, consequently, the notion of a centralized sovereign state (as an aggressor?) is out of date.
Nietzsche seems to speak to this mythical decentralized state, that it is a lie:
A state, is called the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly lieth it also;
and this lie creepeth from its mouth: "I, the state, am the people."
Taken along with his other comments from Human, all to Human that I posted above, I am not sure Nietzsche is so very out of date on this he wasn't only speaking of the old despots, but of the successor to these as well.
Where there is still a people, there the state is not understood, but hated
as the evil eye, and as sin against laws and customs.
Is there still a people?
BTS
this mythical decentralized state, that it is a lie
Apart from France, there are plenty of examples in Europe.
Belgium, for the moment, doesn't even have a central government
but still a Belgian ompany takes over an American buisness
Fancy a Leffe?
Fancy a Leffe?
Anytime.
I am fatigued after reading this thread.
Maybe I will go unwind by reading the rest of Thus Spoke Zarathustra.
And there I was just thinking the story was about Lions and Camels and Dragons... oh my!
