Outlaw,
Leave him on his own! He has got enough attention today, he'll have a good night's rest.
10 Years International Crime Court: Towards World Law?
by hamilcarr 202 Replies latest social current
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BurnTheShips
BTS..Most of the Bar Room brawlers I have known..Were not good fighters.
I've never fought in a bar.
...........Your threats to both HS and myself,tell me a great deal about your level of skill................. ...OUTLAW
And the cute little pictures that pepper your posts say a good deal about yours.
BTS
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OUTLAW
BTS.."Bar Room Brawler" is a term used to describe people who are looking for a fight..Who will fight anytime,anywhere..Over nothing..They also like to talk about fighting,as a means of intimidation..That pretty much describes you...............
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james_woods
H_S and I seem to actually be making some progress, if only a little.
How old is it? The organization "came into being July 1, 2002". It can only prosecute cases occuring upon that date or after. That is (a) - six years and a few days. not, (b). Why this is so hard to admit for H_S is beyond me, unless it a stubborn refusal to correct an honest mis-statement. May be significant since I have been called a mere school-boy on the subject. May also be significant if cases were to appear that were older than 5 years, but within the 6 years + a few days since it was founded.
How many cases has it successfully prosecuted? H_S first posted here, and I quote - "it has successfully prosecuted 12 cases". He has now posted exactly what I found in the wiki article, but again declines to validate the fact that no cases have yet been successfully prosecuted. Correct answer is still (a) - editorializations not withstanding.
Is it related to the United Nations? Of course it is...H_S seems to confirm this, but continues to insist that it is "a completely different beast". Maybe it is, depending on your semantics, but it has similarities, origins, and relationships with the U.N. This idea does have a context here.: - ICC has yet to build a positive record of it's own (after the six years). Many reasonable persons would naturally compare it with the U.N. as far as getting any traction to actually accomplish it's charter, given that it is supported by a majority of the same members and is an unproven international organization having roots in the U.N. general assembly. Correct answer is (a), H_S demurs to say so but does not deny so. It is significant because the U.N. itself can provide case recommendations, just like a member nation. It is also worth noting that the prosecutor of the failed Congo case of this July got the exculpatory evidence from a U.N. confidential source, thus contributing to a failure of prosecution.
My underlying point is this: we have not seen any real results in the six years and a few days of it's existence. It has cost well over 160 million euros during that time. It's relationship with the U.N. played a significant role in causing of the loss of its first attempt to try a case.
My immediate point is: while at least two posters here are virtually Fan-Boys for this body, and others openly decry that the U.S. sees faults with it and has not ratified membership, these enthusiasts casually gloss over any negative facts about this organization.
Folks like me who post some documented drawbacks or shortcomings with the ICC are labeled with "simplistic", "dense", or "uninformed".
And yet the facts are the facts - 160 million euros, no convictions. I submit that in a few more years, we may well be asking where all that money went.
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BurnTheShips
And yet the facts are the facts - 160 million euros, no convictions. I submit that in a few more years, we may well be asking where all that money went.
I doubt it, if this thread is an indication, Euros seldom admit it when they are wrong. Besides, the point is not convictions, they could easily prosecute war crimes without the ICC, as has been done before. There are ulterior motives at work here.
BTS
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james_woods
Maybe so, BTS - maybe so. But if I were the Japanese, who have contributed I believe 22% of the budget - I sure would be asking.
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llbh
I do remember when burn took me on bts doubted the veracity of my legal knowledge , guess who was right ?
No prizes sorry
And btw those threaten violence show they have lost the argument
David
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hillary_step
Burn,
I just cannot get the site of your crumpled body out of my mind
Heh. Funny.
I am the first to admit that it it hard to see the humour when viewed grammatically. It is just that I have seen a picture of you, and I have seen Outlaw. Therein lies the humor in your threat to cause him physical harm were he to speak to you the way he does in person.
HS
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BurnTheShips
I do remember when burn took me on bts doubted the veracity of my legal knowledge , guess who was right ?
Do you remember what I said on that thread?
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/161723/2990358/post.ashx#2990358
There is nothing wrong with being wrong if one is willing to adjust one's point of view in light of new evidence. I did so in response to your post on that and I appreciated it. Crowing about it here is a very poor show and also very revealing.
The issue here is that there are some individuals with severely entrenched positions that will not admit something that stares at them in the face even when presented with very, very clear proof. And when presented with they descend into personal insults ranging from claims of ignorance to stupidity and dishonesty. Once they do thatthey have lost the argument.
As I have said, claiming you know on this board means nothing to me. It is a manifestation of that European quality that always seems to appeal to position, rather than product. I have no respect for that. Show me.
BTS
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BurnTheShips
I am the first to admit that it it hard to see the humour when viewed grammatically. It is just that I have seen a picture of you, and I have seen Outlaw. Therein lies the humor in your threat to cause him physical harm were he to speak to you the way he does in person.
I still fail to see the humor. You judge me by my size? You do not know where I grew up and what I had to do to get through. Some saw a short latino and though it would be easy. Wrong.
BTS
