Jehovah's Witnesses vs Pastor Russell on the resurrection of Adam

by Terry 11 Replies latest jw experiences

  • Terry
    Terry

    One of the main teachings of Pastor Russell was that all would be enlightened with a knowledge of God's Truth before they are placed on trial and judged for their final destiny.

    For the majority of mankind this would be when they are raised from the dead at the time of the general resurrection. Their final judgment would be based on their conduct while enlightened and not on their conduct while in ignorance. This teaching separated Pastor Russell's Bible Students from all other religious groups,"Jehovah's Witnesses" as well.

    Pastor Russell taught a future probation because millions have died and continue to die without hearing the Gospel. Of those that hear, uncertainty and confusion exists in their minds because Churchianity of today is burdened with contradictory beliefs and teachings.

    "Jehovah's Witnesses" see no further probation for any of the present generation who do not subscribe to their teachings - which means that a large percentage of the world's population is to perish eternally in Armageddon.

    In this respect their views are less generous than most established Churches. They not only see no hope for those who live today, who do not subscribe to their teachings, but they entertain no hope for a large percentage of the millions who have gone into the grave since the creation of man. For example, those of Sodom, Samaria, Gomorrah, etc., - they believe those people perished eternally, with no hope for a resurrection, while Pastor Russell pointed to the Scriptures, such as Ezek. 16:55, where it declares that these are all going to return to their "former estate." And God, in Matt. 10:15, confirms this thought when He said, "It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city" - (speaking of the Jews) Thus Jehovah pointed forward to a day of judgment for those people who died centuries ago. And again it says, in Acts 17:31 that, "He has appointed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness."

    The "Jehovah's Witnesses" deny that Adam will ever have a resurrection, while the Scriptures plainly state that Jesus Christ tasted death "for every man." Heb. 2:9; 1 Tim. 2: 5,6. Pastor Russell pointed out these Scriptures and many others such as 1 Cor. 15: 22, - "As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." Also Hosea 13:14, --"I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: 0 death, I will be thy plagues; 0 grave, I will be thy destruction."

    Pastor Russell taught, according to the Scriptures, that now is "the day of salvation" for those who are to be the Bride of Christ, the Little Flock; and that another day - a day of salvation is awaiting mankind in general, in the Millennial Age -"the times of restitution of all things which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began." (Acts 3:21)

    This view broke with the concept of salvation current in his day. At that time nearly all evangelists taught a literal hell of torment for those who did not accept Christ in this life. They felt hell-fire threats were necessary to restrain evil and, if need be, to bring salvation by fear. Many theologians have since broadened their concept of salvation beyond this life, but "Jehovah's Witnesses" hold strongly to the position that those who reject their message are rejecting salvation. Contrary to our Lord's Word, every "Jehovah's Witness" becomes a missionary of life or death, using the fear of eternal destruction or second death, as their final appeal.

    Interesting to contemplate when/where/why the change from Russell's view to Rutherford's view.

    My guess is that Russell was a kind man and Rutherford a vindicative one.

    Your opinion?

  • digderidoo
    digderidoo

    My guess is that Russell was a kind man and Rutherford a vindicative one.

    I have often thought that. Russell and his associates debated the bible, i can see why some argue that it was Rutherford who was the founder of this cult rather than Russell.

    Paul

  • Terry
    Terry

    I think of Rutherford as a latter day Plantation owner.

    Russell's life's work, the Bible Students, a prot-religion was the plantation.

    Rutherford, like a shade tree lawyer, inveigled the ownership of this plantation in defiance of Russell's Last Will and Testament.

    Rutherford pretended he would run the plantation the way the previous beloved Master had done. Fairly and allowing congregations around the nation to remain INDEPENDANT of influence.

    But, soon, Rutherford was beating the slaves and mistreating the hired hands and a great many of them quit.

    Rutherford was a taskmaster, a cruel and merciless one.

    He is the epitome of the Evil Slave master.

  • DNCall
    DNCall

    I found this paper extremely enlightening regarding the issues of succession Rutherford faced after following Russell. It explains much of how the current organization was set in motion by Rutherford rather than Russell.

    http://home.broadpark.no/~jhauglan/rutherford.htm

    DNCall

  • S3RAPH1M
    S3RAPH1M

    "Their final judgment would be based on their conduct while enlightened and not on their conduct while in ignorance"

    That's one of the most reasonable and just ideas I've ever heard! The current watchtower has strayed incredibly far from that one!

  • Terry
    Terry
    "Their final judgment would be based on their conduct while enlightened and not on their conduct while in ignorance"

    That's one of the most reasonable and just ideas I've ever heard! The current watchtower has strayed incredibly far from that one!

    When Jehovah's Witnesses centered their work on evangelizing they had to do away with such a notion. Why? Because it makes the door to door preaching work irrelevent and unfair.

    A fair, neutral, unbiased and objective decision requires a fair, neutral and unbiased decider. Humans are sinners, wretches and in the power of the wicked one. How are people such as that going to make a decision so unenlightened?

    Buying a Watchtower isn't going to do it.

  • choosing life
    choosing life

    Rutherford always came across as mean spirited to me. I agree he took things in a very different direction than Russell.

    Never could understand how a deceived and totally innocent couple, who were shocked to discover they were naked, deserved everlasting destruction.

  • RR
    RR

    I think the following says it all ...

    Many theologians have since broadened their concept of salvation beyond this life, but "Jehovah's Witnesses" hold strongly to the position that those who reject their message are rejecting salvation. Contrary to our Lord's Word, every "Jehovah's Witness" becomes a missionary of life or death, using the fear of eternal destruction or second death, as their final appeal.
  • jehovahsheep
    jehovahsheep

    russell raughr that christs 1000 year reign started in 1878.

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    The JWs have blown back and forth more than once on the resurrection of Adam. I know that there was an article in the 1960s which presented a new understanding on this - and that it caused a great stir.

    IIRC, a prevailing opinion of the old guard (i.e. Rutherford doctrineairs) - was that Adam lost one perfect life, so Jesus could only pay for one perfect life. This meant that for all of manking to have a possible resurrection, Adam himself had to be left out.

    IIRC2, the 1960s WT (maybe 64 or so) kind of opened the door on Adam possibly, just possibly having a chance at a resurrection after all.

    Again, (another subject) I have to put a caveat emptor on the idea that Russell was a particularly kindly old bible student, but that Rutherford was the evil slave master. Rutherford was certainly all of that - but Russell only seems kindly to us by stark comparison. Russell himself had to resort to some clandestine trickery to gain control of the Zion's Watchtower, and he was not above screwing over longtime friends and associates to get exactly what he wanted.

    And, as Terry shows in another thread - it was certainly Russell who got the JWs started in the false prophecy business by retreading the flat tires of Adventism and never once admitting that he was wrong time after time on the chronology. He was also a pretty nasty customer when he was debating conventional preachers of the day on the soul and hellfire.

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