3 nights with Steve where do we go from here....C.C.M.C.

by Hope4Others 11 Replies latest jw experiences

  • Hope4Others
    Hope4Others

    I sat intently listening to every word, as I continued to read it as was if I was there in the same room. Well it was a riveting and
    exciting book to read. "Combatting Cult Mind control"by Steve Hassan.

    Many have said that after reading this book and being born in, where do you go back to? There are no

    pre-witness memories to return to so i tried to look at this book objectively when I started, to see then How can
    this book help those in this situation.

    These are some of the things that helped me finally lay to rest many of the What ifs....they are right,

    what if it is the truth, What if now I really am giving up hope in a wonderful future.

    1.Knowledge definitely is power and the truth is stronger than lies, love has more power than fear.
    If you still believe in God or a higher power remember that we were created with free will. Real truth
    would not use deception or mind control to take away this freedom.

    2 . I found that there are an extreme amount of similarities between jw's and mind control along with the cults he describes. It is an influence that disrupts your very own identity, your beliefs, your behavior, your thinking.\,
    even your very emotions and these things or part of you are all replaced with a new identity...Does the "New
    personality' ring a bell???

    3. He describes 4 main type of cults.
    A.) Religious cults
    B.) Political Cults
    C.) psychotherapy/educational cults
    D.) commercial cults

    A. Religious cults some use the bible, some use Eastern religious base, others draw on the occult, or just made up inventions
    of its leaders.

    B.) Political cults these are the news makers fringe and extreme...not into this so in one ear and out the other for me....

    C.) psychotherapy/ educational cults these entail workshop, seminars things that keep you paying to get further up the ladder...
    and then you suck all your friends and family in to joining. Once you commit you bring them in or cut them off. These are the types
    that cause nervous breakdowns, marriage problems or breakage, failing at a business, suicide's and death.

    D.) commercial cults the pyramid or multi level schemes, you must recruit others to gain success. You know the news papers add that
    promise making lots of money, come to room so & so at this hotel...it always costs you money to be trained but promises big returns.

    Mind control and brainwashing are not the same thing, with brainwashing it is coercive, usually abusive mistreatment, even torture, like
    getting locked in a room, no food for weeks...

    Mind control reforms your thoughts and is more subtle where you are deceived and manipulated. One of the biggest points I could see was that

    the doctrine will claim to have all the answers to any problem or situation. You really do not need to think for yourself because your
    thinking is done for you by the doctrine itself. Loaded language is typical...remember the "You'll be blessed by God theme, publisher, Fds, Gb,
    master, "truth" anointed, inactive, worldly and no doubt you can add your own.

    I recall the parts about being separate from the public, guilt and fear being the single most important lever, and being programmed to react to the first onset
    of doubt. How many times that ran through me is way too numerous to count.

    There is a wealth of info in this book he talks of a few different cults, religions and interventions to free people with intense days of deprogramming.

    What I come away with is that no matter if I was born in or came in later, I see a definite pattern of tactics, control, and fear and you can see
    how difficult it is to leave. but reading all this makes me realise how much of a cult it is. It is a religion to its own with God far removed.

    I find it important to Work at learning who you are and what your hopes and dreams are, setting out new goals and following through. I remember
    coming back to Canada, believe it or not I was very shy, reserved and introverted...I wanted a new life...it was hard but I forced myself
    to be out going, to meet new people every where I went. It was the best thing I could have ever done. Its not always easy for many but
    it is important to never give up.

    So I wonder what points did you find that will help you to help yourself or help someone else?

    hope4others

  • VoidEater
    VoidEater

    Hi H4O: I haven't read it yet - but with your synopsis, I see that there's something for me there. Thank you for another piece of the healing puzzle...

  • Awakened at Gilead
    Awakened at Gilead

    The main point I remember from his book is that cults impede current members from talking to ex-members... if a religion does that it's hiding something....

    That fits the WTS to a T.

  • flipper
    flipper

    Hope 4 Others- Great thread ! I read this book last year and it helped me understand completely how I was able to be put under " mind control" by the witnesses. Even being born into it ! I enjoyed the point that there is never a " legitimate " reason that will be approved in the cults leaders eyes for us to leave a cult. We are looked at as " unfaithful " if we leave. Also I enjoyed the examples of previous cults setting a date for " the end " , but always switching the date to the future so as to keep members satisfied so they wouldn't give up hope of fulfillment ! ( Sound familiar ?) So I am also using some techniques from Hassan's book to work on getting my 21 and 20 year old daughters out of the witnesses. But- like everything, it's going to take time. I miss my daughters so much ! Damned cult

  • BabaYaga
    BabaYaga

    Hope4: Thank you for this great commmentary. I have been wanting to read this and for some reason have not ordered a copy yet!

  • LunaFing
    LunaFing

    I've been wanting to read it for years, but I just never got around to buying it. I'm going to go buy it right now........see ya!

  • Hope4Others
    Hope4Others

    Void.......I think that this is a wonderful book, it layed to rest many things for me. Hope you will enjoy it to.

    A&G.....great point, that was mentioned thru out so much of the book , the part of how if family try to bring negative thoughts or questions

    in remember they are from Satan, trying to destroy your faith.

    Flipper.....moving up the dates giving dates certainly does ring a bell.. As mentioned many cult leaders were in cult previously...

    And thanks for telling me about this book it was well worth the read.

    Baba yaga & Lunafing......the book gave me this sense of calm after reading it.....i finally understood so much and everything fell into place...

    I'm sure you will enjoy it.

    hope4others

  • Mr. Majestic
    Mr. Majestic

    Fantastic thread Hope……

    I have the book and it is on my list to read next. Reading one similar at the moment.

    Your point about the difference between Brainwashing and mind control is a great point. Mind control will self perpetuate and convince the person from the inside of their own reasoning.

    The other good point is loaded language. When you read the societies literature now, you can see it plain as day. But it is written so subtly and is almost impossible to see when under the spell of the organisation.

    Can’t wait to read this book.

    Thanks for sharing your views…….

    P.S. Your daughter didn’t inherit your shyness then…..?????

  • Switch
    Switch

    Hi Hope. I read this book at the end of last year. This book caught me off guard. My husband bought it and read it first. I thought he was losing his mind bringing home a cult-themed book! But I was totally fascinated that JW's SO fit the cult criteria. The fact that other cults all use the same concepts and terminology as the Witnesses blew me away. I should probably read it again and will get even more from it.

    thanks for sharing.

    -switch

  • Hope4Others
    Hope4Others

    milliemootoo.... All of the suggested books so far this one really helped.

    Mr. M.....I know you will get a lot from this as I did...do you want me to send you mine..yellow highlights & scribbles in the margins

    and all...Felt like I was marking up my mag, all over again....lol

    Switch....I was also amazed, for some very important reason I had the need to read it, I am glad I followed thru on Mr. Flippers suggestion.

    mickey mouse......understanding the manipulation process is a valuable guard to acquire, I feel the book can unleash the real you for many of us.

    cheers!

    hope4others

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