First Kill

by cameo-d 21 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  cameo-d

  In Genesis 3:7 we are told that Adam and Eve made the first clothing out of plant material.

  (though the scriptures say fig leaves, it could have been similar to grass skirts, and adequate)

  Why did "god" find it necessary to kill an animal to clothe them? (Genesis 3:21 (Septaugint) says "leather tunics")

  Does it make sense that god would be the first murderer?

  Was this a "scapegoat" sacrifice intended to transfer the sins of the couple onto the animal? (how logical is that, really?)

  Since the garden of eden was a small place, and since each animal had been brought to Adam to be named, it would stand to reason that Adam was somewhat intimate with the animals in this small area. If that is so, then killing one of those animals would be something like killing the family dog. Why does this act of violence make me think of the way human skin was used to create lampshades at one point in history?

  Would this killing not have been a horrifying traumatic event to Adam and Eve? To witness the killing of the family dog to punish them, and then to be made to wear it's bloody skin for "atonement"?

  If God is such a genius to create the most amazing detail and function of all life on this planet, does it stand to reason that he could not create some sort of protective mantle for the humans without having to resort to the destruction of another life form?

  Does the dual nature of god (creation and destruction) seem reconcilable?

  How can it be reasoned that this "god" was a benevolent creator?

  The Book of Enoch says "it was the Nephilim who first began to hurt the animals."

  So what do you all make of this?
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  BlackPearl

  God...can do anything. He created Earth out of thin air and pure energy...literally. So it stands to reason, perhaps He didn't kill anything to get the skins, perhaps he just made them. There are those that will find fault with anything...are you one of them? Yes, there is a God, and yes, you will have to answer to him. There's no getting around it, try as you may.
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  sir82

  Maybe the animal was already dead? Wouldn't need its skin then!

  Of course it's all rather moot anyway, one has to assume that it took place at all....
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  BlackPearl

  Ya...hadn't thought of that...
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  cameo-d

  There is nothing to indicate there was any death in the garden prior to this implication of using animal skins.

  Nothing scriptural whatsoever no matter what kind of stories the WTS makes up about it.

  It does seem to be the origins of all this animal sacrifice used in religions.

  The belief that blame can be placed on an innocent and "transferred"? This is not even logical reasoning.
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  funkyderek

  BlackPearl:

  So it stands to reason, perhaps He didn't kill anything to get the skins, perhaps he just made them.

  Absolutely. Abel is the first confirmed killer in the bible.
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  cameo-d

  The Book of Enoch says "it was the Nephilim who first began to hurt the animals."

  What if this "god" in the garden was not our creator?

  Genesis 1:26 "Let us make man in our image"

  If this is true, then it would stand to reason that the creation of man was at least a joint effort, if not a team effort.

  So why would a single deity take the credit to be worshipped for it?
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  possible-san

  I think that most of description of the Genesis is a "fable" (symbol).
  Therefore, Adam and Eve are not the talks of an actual history.
  So, I think that "nonsense" blames God with this topic.

  Incidentally, Japanese uses the "Kanji" (Chinese character).
  The Kanji "first"(in Japanese, it pronounces "hajime" and "hatsu") writes "It cuts clothes".

  http://tohgutakumi.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/images/2008/01/02/img610.jpg
  http://www.mahou.org/Kanji/3D69/

  It shows the concept of Genesis 3:21.
  http://godpresencewithin.web.fc2.com/pages/zatsugaku/kanji.html

  The animal was then killed for the first time.
  And it was the beginning of the love of the God shown to them.
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  cameo-d

  The animal was then killed for the first time.
  And it was the beginning of the love of the God shown to them.

  The animal was killed for the FIRST time? How many times can you kill something. That is an absurd statement.

  Killing is showing love? That's pretty damn absurd, too.

  It shows the concept of Genesis 3:21.
  http://godpresencewithin.web.fc2.com/pages/zatsugaku/kanji.html

  The link you provided is just a bunch of squares on the page.

  "god presence within" is new age metaphysical crap. You are trading one lie for another if you believe that concept.
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  possible-san

  cameo-d,

  Since I question you, please reply to me.
  (Since I cannot speak English, please write it in an simple word.)

  Are you a person who does not kill any animal?
  
  I have not killed the animal until now.
  However, I eat beef, pork, and chicken.

  Don't you eat?Moreover, have not you eaten them once until now?

  After seeing the reply from you, I judge whether you are a hypocrite.