Scriptures the Gibbering Body Wished Were Never Written...

by Darklighter 10 Replies latest jw friends

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  Darklighter

  I posted this over at http://exjehovahswitnessforum.yuku.com/topic/8646/master/1/ too... (That's a good site for all you who are looking for a replacement to JWD)

  I was doing some research last night, and found out that Luke 21:8 has only been specifically commented on once IN THE LAST 40 YEARS in the Watchtower! See if you can guess why...

  Luke 21:8 - He said: "Look out that you are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name saying, 'I am he,' and, 'The due time has approached.' Do not go after them.

  Well, we all know that the Society LIVES and DIES on procaliming that the "due time has approached". If only the JWs would heed Jesus' counsel.
  
  
  List all the scriptures that the Society wishes theey could sweep under the rug. John 20:28 also comes to mind... Organization, Jesus=Jehovah, all that good stuff. Have at it!
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  snowbird

  From The Message Bible:

  Acts 1:7 He told them, "You don't get to know the time. Timing is the Father's business.

  Sylvia
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  oompa

  So what was the one comment on that scripture darklighter?.........oompa
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  Darklighter

  I think it was in the '80s sometime, and they applied it to things that "messianic imposters" might say. Implying that if they're saying BOTH things then not to go after them. They twisted the scripture a bit so that people wouldn't connect it with them. The scripture clearly implies that whether they're saying one thing (I am he), or the other (the end is near), or BOTH, do not go after them.
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  M.J.

  Romans 8:23 (New American Standard Bible)
  
  
  23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption OF our body.
  
  
  
  
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  AuntBee

  Romans 4:4-8 -- Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. However, to the man who does NOT WORK but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from woks: 'Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will never count against him" NIV
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  OBVES

  You will not win your arguments with superficial applying of the Scriptures to the Watchtower .

  Matthew 24.45 states that there will be a faithful servant that has his sheep to feed in the end-times !

  Just like a sheperd has a total control over his flock and cares about it we must identify such organization today that fits the description.And the only one I see fitting this is the Jehovah's Witness organization.You will not find a replacement to that : the other christian organization. If there is none ,then ,we don't have the end-times yet .

  Luke 9.49-50 states about two categories of end-time servants :

  -one small group of servants united in one body and one seperate indepenedent servant and these two must be identified before the end of the world can take place .

  That one single servant cannot establish another competing organization and those who share his views can be indpendent as well.

  If you are not sharing views of any of these two that God Yahweh uses in His End-Time Salvation Plan you are in bad situation.

  Note that all of the class of 144000 represent Christ and there few of them and you need to search this out but it is a very difficult process . So many take an easy route and don't bother to do that.

  False Messiahs and false prophets are among main-stream religions where many were deceived .

  Popes claim to be like Christ and clergymen who are priests .
  True priests : 144000 represent the body of Christ - these are true messiahs- Obadiah 1.21.

  You have to find out we are in the end-time era and then find who is approved of God Yahweh by dates in the timetable and then those opposing the true servants who teach falsehood to nations are false messiahs ,saviors,prophets-Matthew 24.11 speaks about many deceived .It cannot be in Jehovah's Witness organization but in the whole christendom that is against Jehovah's Witnesses .

  My posts give ample proofs where there are false prophets today .

  Christ came spiritually in the end-times through his true servants but that is usurped by the popes and priests who are many .

  Luke 21.28 is not against any Jehovah's Witness .Once we find they are the best christian religious organization - which they really are - the Scripture cannot be against them.
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  OBVES

  Sure they can if they live in the time preceding the end of the world soon .

  The wisemen - astrologers from the East were able to calculate the first coming of the Messiah- Matthew 2.1-4.

  So the more those who serve the true God Yahweh having the Bible at their disposal can find the time when the second coming of Jesus may take place.

  Don't confuse the Tenses Jesus uses when speaking.

  At the time he was speaking - Matthew 24.36 only God the Father knew the time of the end-time era .

  Acts 1.7 is misused of the spiritual ignorance today . Jesus was speaking to the disciples back then who saw him . He was not speaking to those who will live at the end-time era we live today.

  How about Matthew 24.48-50 ? Most ignore these verses that clearly imply the faithful servant will know the time of Lord's coming.
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  M.J.

  John 2:18-22 (New American Standard Bible)
  
  18 The Jews then said to Him, "(B)What sign do You show us as your authority for doing these things?"
  
  19Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days **I** will raise it up."
  
  20 The Jews then said, "It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?"
  
  21But He was speaking of the temple of His body.
  
  22So when He was raised from the dead, His (G)disciples (H)remembered that He said this; and they believed (I)the Scripture and the word which Jesus had spoken.
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  Darklighter

  OBVES everything you just said is requireds connecting unrelated scriptures, and mental gymnastics, and obscures the simple message that Jesus preached. The only ones superficially applying scripture are the JWs.

  Matthew 24.45 states that there will be a faithful servant that has his sheep to feed in the end-times !

  No it doesn't. It says nothing about "end-times". And the parallel account at Luke proves that reasoning incorrect.

  Luke 9.49-50 states about two categories of end-time servants

  No it doesn't. It says that some Jews would be Christians, but that the vast majority would come from the gentiles.

  -one small group of servants united in one body and one seperate indepenedent servant and these two must be identified before the end of the world can take place .

  Nowhere is that said in the Bible.

  That one single servant cannot establish another competing organization and those who share his views can be indpendent as well.

  Then why did Russel establish his own organization? Why didn't he go to the 1900 year old F&DS?

  If you are not sharing views of any of these two that God Yahweh uses in His End-Time Salvation Plan you are in bad situation.

  Bible says the only person we have to share views with is Jesus. Not a "slave class" or organization.

  Note that all of the class of 144000 represent Christ and there few of them and you need to search this out but it is a very difficult process . So many take an easy route and don't bother to do that.

  False Messiahs and false prophets are among main-stream religions where many were deceived .

  Popes claim to be like Christ and clergymen who are priests .
  True priests : 144000 represent the body of Christ - these are true messiahs- Obadiah 1.21.

  Pointless blather. 144,000 is a sybolic number. Re-read Revelation 1:1.

  You have to find out we are in the end-time era and then find who is approved of God Yahweh by dates in the timetable and then those opposing the true servants who teach falsehood to nations are false messiahs ,saviors,prophets-Matthew 24.11 speaks about many deceived .It cannot be in Jehovah's Witness organization but in the whole christendom that is against Jehovah's Witnesses

  No we're not. There's no evidence we're in "end times" (PLEASE do some reasearch on this, and NOT in the Societys publications). The NT constantly warns us about trying to get to know the times and the seasons. Yet the JWs continue to do just that.

  My posts give ample proofs where there are false prophets today

  So does the Watchtowers literature. And their names are Russell, Rutherford, Knorr, Freddie Franz, and everyone else on the Governing Body.

  Luke 21.28 is not against any Jehovah's Witness .Once we find they are the best christian religious organization - which they really are - the Scripture cannot be against them.

  If they're saying "the due time has approached" it is. Of course they're the best Christian org out there. Just ask 'em.

  Enjoy your Watchtowers.