Seeing as they have fired the Holy Spirit who is supposed to 'teach' (and replaced Him with the gov body), I guess they would think they have nothing else if they lose the org.
Alan Feuerbacher, Bob Wallen and "Apostasy"
by Dogpatch 20 Replies latest jw friends
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Mary
Avashai said: The old "What do the apostates replace it with?" Straw man. If something is BS, it's BS. You throw dog turds in the toilet, you don't look for something to "replace" them with.
Exactly. I loved it when Brother Braindead said "Why would we lie to them?" Either the guy is a fool or a liar.....or both.
I noticed this years ago too. Whenever the subject of 'apostasy' comes up, they never face the issue head on. They have always skirted around the issues that 'apostates' raise and give the strawman argument as noted by Avashai or some other mindless crap such as 'where did you learn The Truth from in the first place?' or 'apostates don't build up, they only tear down' and that we 'tell lies and half-truths'. Funny how they never accuse Jesus of being an 'apostate' for questioning the Pharisees.
What's incredible about these ridiculous assertions, is that he claimed "we don't have to read apostate literature to know it's wrong.' This has got to be one of the stupidiest statements ever uttered. How the hell can you determine if something is right or wrong unless you read it???
Where was this taped Randy? Sounds like it was at an ASSembly or something.....
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VM44
"Apostacy" is the turning away from the WACTHTOWER "current" teachings!
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Thechickennest
Is Bob Wallen from the Alliance NE area? An Elder I once knew from Alliance mentioned Bob Wallen from time to time, as if he was a local. Just curious.
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Dogpatch
yadda said,
Take the ORGANISATION away and they literally feel they are left with nothing.
You got the whole picture there, no Jesus, no God, no supernatural, no power.
org is the god.
Mary,
This was at a Fremont, Calif 2001 KM school if the label is correct. :-))
Randy
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stumper
To Thechikennest:: Robert Wallen is from Omaha Ne. In the late 1940 & early 1950 there were two Kingdom Halls, a north ..unit & a south unit. Bob went the north & I went to the south unit. My mother & sister are still jw's. I asked them a few years ago if the Robert Wallen in the watchtower was the same Bob Wallen that I new years ago. They said it was.
stumper
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Confession
Enjoyed your comments, Avishai and Mary. Here's an excerpt from the letter to my mother that I've posted before.
In examining one of the above Watchtower quotes, we find them actually discouraging readers from the policy that they themselves clearly taught in the Truth book. They even use the same words in perfect contradiction of themselves. Consider…
“We need to examine…what is taught by any religious organization with which we may be associated… If we are lovers of the truth, there is nothing to fear from such an examination.”
“You may even reason: …' if we have the truth, we have nothing to fear...' In thinking this way, some have fed their minds upon apostate reasoning and have fallen prey to serious questioning and doubt.”
So which is it? Should there be “nothing to fear” in examining all of the information about our religion, or shouldn’t there? And what exactly is wrong with “serious questioning” anyway? Isn’t that what we should always be willing to do? Don’t Jehovah’s Witnesses ask those with whom they come into contact to engage in “serious questioning?” And what’s wrong with doubt? Shouldn’t we doubt things that, after considering all the available information, we conclude are without sufficient foundation? Isn’t there something false about the way the Watchtower Society wholeheartedly endorses questioning in the first above quote, but spins it as ‘falling prey’ in the second?
Don’t you expect someone you’re studying with to “doubt” the Trinity doctrine when you show him scriptures and other information that contradict it? Would it be right for the Catholic church to warn all Catholics not to listen to Jehovah’s Witnesses on this and other subjects because it might lead to “serious questioning and doubt?” Wouldn’t a group of Jehovah’s Witnesses laugh at such a warning if they heard about it? Wouldn’t they say, “Well of course the Catholic church doesn’t want them listening to us! Of course they don’t want their churchgoers questioning their doctrines! They’re just afraid they’ll find out the truth!” And if Jehovah’s Witnesses would ridicule such a warning from the Catholic church, why would they not also do the same when the Watchtower Society sends out precisely the same sort of admonition?
Under what circumstances is it wise to disallow yourself the hearing of all sides of an important issue? Mother, if you were fully confident that something were true, but someone disagreed with you, would you feel the need to warn everyone you knew not to listen to that person? And would you take the further step of threatening that you might punish and enforce a group shunning against them if they did listen? If someone did that to you, might you not think they had something to hide?
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wobble
Thank you,Confession for re-posting your conversation with your Mother,I feel I am about to have a similar one soon with my dear, nearly ninety year old mum.(In the "troof" since 1952)
Kindly put and well reasoned and I shall use similar thoughts.
How sad it is that we have to tread on eggshells!
Love
Wobble
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blondie
I always remembered this scripture when it came to blindly following the "GB" or any individual member of the GB. Was Paul a member of the GB; did he consult with the GB before correcting Peter and in public?
(Galatians 2:11-14) 11 However, when Ce´phas came to Antioch, I resisted him face to face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before the arrival of certain men from James, he used to eat with people of the nations; but when they arrived, he went withdrawing and separating himself, in fear of those of the circumcised class. 13 The rest of the Jews also joined him in putting on this pretense, so that even Bar´na·bas was led along with them in their pretense. 14 But when I saw they were not walking straight according to the truth of the good news, I said to Ce´phas before them all: "If you, though you are a Jew, live as the nations do, and not as Jews do, how is it that you are compelling people of the nations to live according to Jewish practice?"
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asilentone
Nobody has welcomed Stumper on the board for 6 months, Stumper, if you are reading this, Welcome to the board!