Study shows more violence in religious societes

by dawg 66 Replies latest jw friends

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  XJW4EVR

  Dawg,

  If you are wrong about this, then could it be possible that you are wrong about the rest of your conclusion? Just entertain that as a possibility, OK?

  "Convinced that only the Bible offers "truth", they lose their intellectual curiosity and their ability to reason.

  I have demonstrated that this is just not true. I agree that there are numerous problems with religion. In fact, The NY Times reports that in Orissa, India Hindus murdering Christians because some Maoist insurgents murdered a Hindu guru. What's my point? Simply, if the humanistic Maoists had not murdered this Hindu guru, then perhaps things would not have exploded.

  I see that no amount of evidence will cause you to change you preconceptions, and that is sad. It appears that you have become a fundie...an atheist fundie.

  PS, sorry Georgia's reign at No. 1 was so short.
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  BurnTheShips

  I want to thank Burns for once again not answering questions...

  I and several others have answered the questions that you raised in the OP with evidence. However I am under no obligation to respond to your bigotted rants, which are typical of you.

  Does religion necessarily lead to a violent society?--NO

  Are Christians necessarily intellectually lazy and incurious?--NO

  BTS
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  Jeffro

  XJW4EVR

  Some Famous Scientists who were Christians

  It is not at all surprising that scientists living from the 6th to 19th centuries were nominally Christian. Even now, many members of religious countries have an attitude problem with atheists (as has been demonstrated), so how do you think those scientists back then would have fared if they said they didn't believe Christian theology? The list is therefore unhelpful.
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  XJW4EVR

  A list of scientists who were Christians 200-800 years ago is pointless. In their society they would have been lynched for saying otherwise. But even if they were true believers - we've come a long way since then.

  Yes, I agree, we have. Now the secular humanists that control the sciences are "lynching" any that dare speak against their orthodoxy. Pot meet kettle?
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  BurnTheShips

  It is not at all surprising that scientists living from the 6th to 19th centuries were nominally Christian.

  "Nominally Christian"? Many of these scientists made voluminous contributions to Christian thought. Take Isaac Newton for example. He wrote more about the Bible than about Physics!

  It is also not surprising that there are scientists that are Christian in the 20th century and today. Modern science was born out of the Christian cultural milieu and philisophy.

  BTS
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  FlyingHighNow

  Dawg, we all are on our journeys. Most of us, who were not raised as JW's, were able to explore your present kind of indignation at a younger age. You're angry with religion and you're still questioning religion, and trying to shake loose of the last grips of the WTBTS over your mind, heart and soul.

  I can understand why you feel the way you do. The WTBTS messed up a lot of our lives or at least hijacked them for a while. It's only natural that some who leave will hate religion and find no good in it. You are an individual and you need to come to your own conclusions in your own time.

  I would just like to see humans move on beyond the fear factor infused, long ago, into religion. The fear factor is what causes people to act out crazy things in the name of their gods. And I agree with something you said on your other thread. Religion and God are two separate things.
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  Beta Male

  the number of people killed by atheists is far outweighed by the number killed in the name of whatever god the religion in authority worships.
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  XJW4EVR

  It is not at all surprising that scientists living from the 6th to 19th centuries were nominally Christian. Even now, many members of religious countries have an attitude problem with atheists (as has been demonstrated), so how do you think those scientists back then would have fared if they said they didn't believe Christian theology? The list is therefore unhelpful.

  Sorry, but the list was produced in order to show the utter folly of Dawg's assertion that religionists are not deep thinkers and lack curiosity.

  The rest of your post is argument from hypothesis, though I can think of Galileo, who theorized a heliocentric solar system. He was ordered to stand trial on suspicision of heresy by Pope Urban VIII. Galileo's works were proclaimed "heretical", he was imprisoned (later commuted to house arrest), and a ban was placed on the publishing of his works. These were later rescinded by subsequent Popes.

  Now one other point I wish to make about the list, is that most of those scientists came from Protestant countries, as opposed to Catholic ones. I am aware that Protestants are not as "white as the wind driven snow" when it comes to persecution of those that had radical ideas, the fact remains that sometimes religion is good, and that it was religion, namely the one found in the Bible that caused these persons to embark on the scientific expedtions to uncover these things.
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  dawg

  ."an atheist fundie". I'm not atheist exjw4evr. I don't like it when people think they can answer something that we simply don't have to the data to reach a conclusion on.
  
  Flying, I've been out of the WT for over 18 years. This isn't a conclusion I came upon lightly. Today, I was reading about some Hindus that refuse to use birth control... bad religion. It's not just Christianity I'm against, I'm against all dogma where people think they can prove the unknown.
  
  exjw4ever-You have to admit, not one man you listed was born in the 20th century... Darwin hadn't taken hold before almost everyone of them were alive. Hard to know something about an theory that hadn't even arrived yet. None of those men knew about avionics either. Again, you are posting about the exceptions to the rule, in social science that can always be done.
  
  I see where your Trojans are ranked above UGA this week, I see a big showdown if this continues.
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  XJW4EVR

  exjw4ever-You have to admit, not one man you listed was born in the 20th century... Darwin hadn't taken hold before almost everyone of them were alive. Hard to know something about an theory that hadn't even arrived yet. None of those men knew about avionics either. Again, you are posting about the exceptions to the rule, in social science that can always be done.

  Spin it any way you want. You got caught blowing smoke, and you don't want to admit you were wrong. That's cool. It's no skin off my nose.

  I see where your Trojans are ranked above UGA this week, I see a big showdown if this continues.

  Depends on what happens on the 13th. If SC handles the Sweater, then it looks good. However, UGA just has to slug its way through the "almighty" SEC. Not that it matters to me all that much. The PAC-10 is 10-6 against the Super Ego Conference (including a recent 6-2 run capped by the guts Bruins upset of Tennessee Monday), so my guess is that if SC faces an SEC team, the should be able to dispatch them back home.