How were plants created before the Sun?

by elder-schmelder 34 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    The Priestly creation narrative really needs to be read without modern cosmological concepts and in a translation that better represents the Hebrew (e.g. many English translations render the Hebrew words 'rts and shmym as "earth" and "heaven" in some verses and "land" and "sky" in other verses), otherwise it can be interpreted in a manner very different from what the author originally intended. For example, the summary statement in v. 1 is often misconstrued as referring to a creation of heaven and earth prior to the creation of sky and land on the second and third days.

    The creation of light is what sets forth the rhythm of time, the temporal cycles of day and night. Earth and heaven are then created in the next two days and then these three frames (day/night, heaven, earth) are populated in the final three days. The luminaries are created to populate not only heaven but also the day and night. But light itself preexists even the creation of earth and heaven. The sun is created to rule the day (v. 18), but day itself is already in existence.

    From the point of view of ancient cosmology, this might reflect the fact that the sun isn't the only source of light during the day. The blue sky seems to shine with its own light, which brightens when the sun makes its apperance in the morning and it cooperatively darkens when the sun makes its departure in the evening. Even without the sun in the sky, a similar cycle of day and night is presumed to happen in the days preceding the creation of the sun.

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    And here is something else to think about - if those greater and lesser luminaries were set forth mere thousands of years ago, how did the light even get here by now...? Most of them are too far away in light-years to be shining in the sky after such a short time.

    Again I ask the question of the JW interpretation that I have always asked -

    If you don't want to take literal days (and they don't) for the creative days - and you are going to make up the number 7,000 years which is nowhere that I can find in the Bible - then why on earth not make up at least a realistic number ... like X or Y million years for each day?

  • Gopher
    Gopher
    if those greater and lesser luminaries were set forth mere thousands of years ago, how did the light even get here by now...? Most of them are too far away in light-years

    Simple! God created the stars, and somehow extended light waves from all of them to reach earth, so that we could see stars that APPEAR to be light-years away but were only created several thousand years ago! Oh you of little faith.

  • drwtsn32
    drwtsn32
    If you don't want to take literal days (and they don't) for the creative days - and you are going to make up the number 7,000 years which is nowhere that I can find in the Bible - then why on earth not make up at least a realistic number ... like X or Y million years for each day?

    Agreed; there isn't much logical thought in their beliefs. At least they no longer teach the 7,000 year idea and instead teach that each creative day is an "indeterminate" amount of time.

    The young-earthers get around the light year problem by just claiming that God created everything with apparent age. It's an extremely weak argument but it makes a lot of these things non-issues (to them).

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Until god created the sun, a few angels had to take turns turning on their lights for 12 hours at a time. No biggey.

    S

  • james_woods
    james_woods
    Agreed; there isn't much logical thought in their beliefs. At least they no longer teach the 7,000 year idea and instead teach that each creative day is an "indeterminate" amount of time.

    Really, drwtsn32? I read this idea here a while back and the posted something about it - and then somebody with a lot of magazine references (Blondie?) said that in reality - only one article actually said this indeterminancy and that the seven thousand year days had not actually been renounced.

    Of course, if they were renounced - you would have to pretty much toss out the 1975 baby along with the bathwater.

  • drwtsn32
    drwtsn32
    Really, drwtsn32?

    I am almost positive, but it has been years since I looked into this. From what I recall, they last mentioned the "7,000 year creative day" idea around 50 years ago. I don't believe they renounced the teaching in any official way, but instead just quietly changed it to mean "indeterminate". Most JWs don't have an issue with believing the earth is millions of years old. Of course man was created 6,000 years ago...

  • RubaDub
    RubaDub

    I think the planets were created at the same time as the sun.

    It all goes back to the "in the beginning" part of Genesis 1:1

    The planets were thus created in that same general time.

    Rub a Dub

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    I think the planets were created at the same time as the sun.

    It all goes back to the "in the beginning" part of Genesis 1:1

    The planets were thus created in that same general time.

    Rub a Dub

    Did you mean what "you" really think, or that you think the JW party line is this? Some interpretations of the Genesis account could reasonably say that the earth preceeded the sun and stars in the stated sequence.

  • RubaDub
    RubaDub

    I think the planets were created at the same time as the sun.

    It all goes back to the "in the beginning" part of Genesis 1:1

    The planets were thus created in that same general time.

    Rub a Dub

    Did you mean what "you" really think, or that you think the JW party line is this? Some interpretations of the Genesis account could reasonably say that the earth preceeded the sun and stars in the stated sequence.

    Yes, James_Woods ... yes. I'm not just giving a JW party line, but I truly do believe that the planets were created at or about the same time as the sun. Even modern scientists believe in the "Big Bang Theory" in which the Universe came to be at some point in the past ... millions or billions of years ago. So I don't see why it is unreasonable to believe the the planets appeared at or about the same time as the sun. Think about it !!!!! Rub a Dub

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