JWs CAN CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS!

by Sirona 40 Replies latest jw friends

  • Yadirf
    Yadirf

    Funerals are one thing, festivities are quite another matter.

    And Haman proceeded to say to King Ahasuerus: “There is one certain people scattered and separated among the peoples in all the jurisdictional districts of your realm; and their laws are different from all other people’s, and the king’s own laws they are not performing, and for the king it is not appropriate to let them alone. If to the king it does seem good, let their be a writing that they be destroyed. -- Esther 3:8, 9.

    Part of what Haman told the king was the way it truly was with the Jews. No matter where they lived throughout the realm of Persia, as scattered as they were, they kept to themselves … they kept ‘separate’ from what the Persian’s did. Like Jehovah’s Witnesses today, they too were “no part of the world” that they lived amidst. The one Persian “law” that they would not perform, which Haman stretched into being many “laws” broken, was that Mordecai refused to honor an Amalekite … namely Haman himself.

    It is unimaginable that the Jews in the above scenario would so much as engage in ANY of the Persian festivities, celebrations that were surely going on all around them throughout the year. If they had mixed in such a way, then there wouldn’t have been the contrast of which Haman tried to impress the king with. According to Haman, though being scattered the Jews remained “separate” and their “laws [custom’s] were different”. Separate how? Undoubtedly much the same way that Jehovah’s Witnesses today are separate from the world around them. If "Christmas" had been a practice of the Persians in Esther’s day, can you imagine all the Jews jumping right in and indulging in the same festivities? No they would NOT have done so, not any more so than they shared in whatever it was that the Persians practiced. /Yadirf

    Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.

  • gumby
    gumby

    Yadirf: You mean like the amish and the mennonites? Then why don't you live like that?

  • gumby
    gumby

    Yadirf;It is unimaginable that the Jews in the above scenario would so much as engage in ANY of the Persian festivities'. DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK THAT PEOPLE TODAY WHO CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS ARE ENGAGING IN A CELEBRATION OF THE SUNGOD? OR.... DO YOU THINK THAT CHRISTIANS ARE CELEBRATING JESUS BIRTH? HOW MANY PEOPLE COULD TELL YOU THE HISTORY BEHIND CHRISTMAS IF NUTS LIKE YOU DIDN'T BRING IT TO THEIR ATTENTION? IF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW IT'S HISTORY...HOW CAN THEY BE CELEBRATING SOMETHING PAGAN?

  • ISP
    ISP

    JWs can't! But I know what you mean. It should really be a conscience matter.

    ISP

  • Yadirf
    Yadirf

    Dumby Gumby

    Do you actually think that "Christmas" is NOT a WORLDLY celebration?

    Why do you think that the Japanese have gotten into it so well in recent years? NOT because they're "Christian", that's for sure!

    What chance is there, do you think, that if all "Christians" were to suddenly stop celebrating Christmas that there would be an end to that holiday? Are you so naive to think that the multitudes who are not Christian would suddenly give up the holiday too? Insofar as the number who celebrate Christmas, whom do you think make up the greater number, those who are Christian or those who are non-Christian?

    Do you actually think that because the name of the holiday has "Christ" in it that THAT makes it a CHRISTIAN celebration? If that were the case then it must also be true that any person or group that claims to be Christian, surely has to BE Christian ... because they SAID they were.

    From whence do you think "Christmas" came from? From true Christians? Or from those whom to this day still refuse to acknowledge that there is no such thing as an immortal soul.

    In keeping with my earlier point: Although the Catholic Church did in fact derive it's December 25th date for Christmas from a pagan festival, no Jew of Esther's day would've ever done anything comparable to that. Instead, they maintained a 'separateness' from the world that has since only been matched by true Christians. But on the other hand, Christendom has even kept all the trimmings of the Saturnalia such as the evergreen tree, the lights, the Yule log. Even the giving and receiving of gifts was part of the pagan Saturnalia which was kept as part of the Christmas celebration. All said and done, the Catholic Church copied off the pagan's ungodly celebration of the Saturnalia. The Jews of Esther's day would've NEVER done a comparable thing such as that. Instead, they were distinguished as being a "separated" people. Of course Haman thought they were despicable for being that way, for which reason he tried to use that very fact to the Jews detriment when describing them to the king.

    Yadirf

    Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.

  • Yadirf
    Yadirf

    Dumby Gumby

    Yadirf: You mean like ... the mennonites? Then why don't you live like that?
    Well, would you believe it's because they've never tried to convert me. You see, they've been so busy NOT making disciples that they never got around to me.

    Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.

  • more2C
    more2C

    In Ray Franz's second book, In Search of Christian Freedom, is a 1926 photo of the Bethel family seated with Christmas presents in front of them. Genuine proof that the early Bethelites used to celebrate Christmas.

    more2C

  • waiting
    waiting

    Howdy Yadirf,

    Funerals are one thing, festivities are quite another matter.
    Why? Shouldn't a jw act in supposed christian purity at either occasion?

    "What's good for the goose is good for the gander."

    waiting

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    bttt

    Sirona, this is great material. It deserves to be brought up for another Christmas.

  • Latte
    Latte

    Bttt!

    Latte

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