A knock-down argument against the WBTS interpretation of Matt 24:45-47!

by yadda yadda 2 21 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Amha·’aret

  Does someone have a reference for the 1995 "new light"?

  I was always led to believe that Christ "came" on to the throne in 1914 after he kicked Satan and Co. out of heaven. Then he cleansed (by imprisonment) the pure worship he found on earth and in 1919 appointed the FDS over the belongings, ie r&f. Of course, I no longer believe any of this but lots of my family are still in and I'm pretty sure that'd be their view on it.

  I think lots of JWs miss new light. I remember talking to some after the generation shift and they either hadn't noticed or didn't understand it.
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  justhuman

  That is an excellent point. In the Greek Original text shows clearly that:

  "When the Son of Man will arrive in His Glory" in the Greek text speaks about a future event. "Otan tha(future) elthi o Yios tou Anthropou en ti doksi aftou"

  So we haven't seen that event yet...so Jesus did not pick up a banch of false prophets in Philadelphia U.S.
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  Leolaia

  Amha·’aret....In 1995, the Society changed their interpretation of the discourse in Matthew 25 about the separation of the sheep and goats. Previously, this was held as fulfilled in 1919 such that the preaching work launched in that year involved the separation of people into these two groups on the basis of how they respond to the Kingdom message. So the "coming of the Son of Man in glory" must precede this, and thus is associated with the "invisible" events of 1914-1919. But now the separation of the sheep and goats lies in the future; it is not something accomplished via the preaching work. The classes of goats and sheep do not exist yet (although people could be said to be "sheeplike" and "goatlike"), and neither has the Son of Man come in glory yet.

  *** w95 10/15 p. 19 par. 4 How Will You Stand Before the Judgment Seat? ***

  We have long felt that the parable depicted Jesus’ sitting down as King in 1914 and since then making judgments -- everlasting life for people proving to be like sheep, permanent death for the goats. But a reconsideration of the parable points to an adjusted understanding of its timing and what it illustrates.... [T]he parable points to the future when the Son of man will come in his glory. He will sit down to judge people then living. His judgment will be based on what they have manifested themselves to be. At that time "the distinction between a righteous one and a wicked one" will have been clearly established. (Malachi 3:18) The actual pronouncing and executing of judgment will be carried out in a limited time. Jesus will render just decisions based on what has become evident about individuals...This means, then, that Jesus’ ‘sitting down on his glorious throne’ for judgment, mentioned at Matthew 25:31, applies to the future point when this powerful King will sit down to pronounce and execute judgment on the nations.

  *** w99 5/1 p. 13 par. 19 "These Things Must Take Place" ***

  Note that Matthew 24:29-31 foretells that (1) the Son of man comes, (2) this coming will be with great glory, (3) the angels will be with him, and (4) all the tribes of the earth will see him. Jesus repeats these elements in the parable of the sheep and the goats. (Matthew 25:31-46) Hence, we can conclude that this parable deals with the time, after the opening outbreak of tribulation, when Jesus will come with his angels and sit down on his throne to judge. (John 5:22; Acts 17:31; compare 1 Kings 7:7; Daniel 7:10, 13, 14, 22, 26; Matthew 19:28.) Who will be judged, and with what result? The parable shows that Jesus will give attention to all nations, as if they were assembled right before his celestial throne....Sheeplike men and women will be separated to Jesus’ right side of favor. Why? Because they used their opportunities to do good to his brothers --anointed Christians, who will share in Christ’s heavenly Kingdom...Our progress in understanding the prophecy in Matthew chapters 24 and 25 has been thrilling.
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  hamsterbait

  Do you remember the article in a 1973 Witchtower criticising the RC for changing the rule about fish on Friday?

  There is a cartoon of a woman wondering (think bubbles)

  "What about all those who were sent to Hell for eating meat on Friday?" Boy how Crooklyn milked that one!

  Yet now thinking Christians must ask " what will happen to those who died as goats without hope of a resurrection, because they didn't buy the Witchtower prior to the reinterpretation of the "Sheep and Goats " parable?"

  More than that - if the end "comes" when the Gibbering buddy teach the men of Sodom WILL get a resurrection, does "will" mean "will" . What if its the opposite?

  HB
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  yadda yadda 2

  Did I predict four years ago the recent 1919 new light about this?
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  MrFreeze

  It's truly amazing how many lives this scripture has ruined.
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  Listener

  Yadda, it is posts like this that expose the nonsense that the GB is teaching. Are we supposed to believe that the GB recieved new light from Jah on this matter or have they instead listened to reason and accepted apostate reasonings?
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  konceptual99

  Great bump. To be strictly correct however, you highlighted a clear inconsistency in WT teaching but not that the WTS would change their doctrine on it so it's only a 6/10 ;-)

  The other curved ball on all of this is that they now have him coming twice to try and keep the application of this parable as a prophetic statement about some official heavenly appointment of the GB as God's channel.
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  nonjwspouse

  impressive Yadda!
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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Of course, you can also show a JW that the WT used to teach, with the same confidence, that Jesus returned in 1874 and Armageddon would come in 1914, and they won't even bat an eye. Or, they'll snicker about the 'silliness' JWs used to believe, under the delusion that today's silliness is much more believable.

  Despite the great points made here and the logical arguments presented that expose WT's position is untenable, the sad fact is most JWs really don't care if their beliefs are true or not.

  JWs firmly believe they'll gain God's favor by riding on the coattails of the GB- even if they're hopelessly in error.