by cameo-d 19 Replies latest watchtower bible
According to Revelation 21, New Jerusalem appears to be an actual physical structure.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jerusalem
As it comes down from heaven, it begs to ask the question....what have all these many space missions really been about over the years?
And what exactly is this housing structure that "comes down from heaven"?
So is Paradise a pastoral setting with rolling hills of green grass, fruit trees, and pet lions.....
or is it a materialistic gold plated gated city?
The revelation description, complete with holographic lighting, sounds rather like it will be deed restricted, too.
If I recall correctly, it's the size of Brazil. That might've seemed enormous to a person on a lump of rock called Patmos, but it does seem a tad small compared to the infinite size of the universe.
When I think about this in other than a symbolic sense, what comes to mind is a huge space habitat of the sort envisioned by Gerard O'Neill to be placed in an L5 type orbit. I like that idea as it is a world entirely crafted by humans so humans must accept responsibility for the conditions there and not blame warring deities.
George Woodward Warder's 1901 book, "Cities in the Sun" actually states that New Jerusalem will be on the Sun itself!
http://www.archive.org/details/citiessun00wardgoog
Mark Twain wrote an unpublished essay, "About Cities in the Sun" in which he reviewed Warder's book.
"Any book which can increase our knowledge of our final home should be welcome." So begins Mark Twain's essay "About Cities in the Sun" Twain's subject in this essay was George Woodward Warder, the author of such works as The New Cosmogony; or, the Electric Theory of Creation (1898), Invisible Light; or, the Electric Theory of Creation (1900), The Cities of the Sun (1901), and The Universe Vast Electric Organism (1904). It was the penultimate of these that caught Twain's attention, for in The Cities of the Sun Warder set for himself the task of interpreting Revelation, in particular John's description of the New Jerusalem in Chapter 21.
George Woodward Warder's 1901 book, "Cities in the Sun" actually states that New Jerusalem will be on the Sun itself!
well, Revelation says it will come down to the EARTH from heaven. So I don't think your athor is very believable.
cameo-d:
And what exactly is this housing structure that "comes down from heaven"?
It's merely the hallucination of a crazy old man living alone on an island eating psilocybic mushrooms. No need to speculate on what it might really be as it has no existence in reality.
It's merely the hallucination of a crazy old man living alone on an island eating psilocybic mushrooms. No need to speculate on what it might really be as it has no existence in reality.
Funky, I happen to disagree. I think there are some things here that beg for deeper thinking and interpretation.
Lockheed Martin and Raytheon are building something in space and they have been working on it for a long time.
It's merely the hallucination of a crazy old man living alone on an island eating psilocybic mushrooms
Maybe not a simple hallucination. Maybe this fore-knowledge comes from the fact that this has happened before! Maybe this was not even written by John but was attributed to him falsely.
cameo-d:
Funky, I happen to disagree. I think there are some things here that beg for deeper thinking and interpretation.
Like what? What's to interpret? It might be worth asking what John meant by his description of New Jerusalem, but there's no sense in which it's reasonable to talk about what this New Jerusalem might actually be. It isn't actually anything, it's just made up.
Lockheed Martin and Raytheon are building something in space and they have been working on it for a long time.
The only thing being built in space is the International Space Station. In any case, what does that have to do with anything?
Maybe not a simple hallucination. Maybe this fore-knowledge comes from the fact that this has happened before !
There's no foreknowledge involved, and in what sense do you think this happened before?
Maybe this was not even written by John but was attributed to him falsely.
Well, it clearly wasn't written by the writer of the Gospel of John (although it is usually attributed to him), but the writer self-identifies as John, which then as now, was a common name.
God, Funkyderek, you have absolutely NO imagination. You can't even entertain the idea that this is a possibility? You are so dogmatic
with your "absolutely-no-way" philosophy. I bet in one of your past lives hundreds of years ago, you were one of those individuals that INSISTED there
was no way the earth was not flat.
Cameo-d: Interesting idea. Revelation is full of Kabbalistic universal symbolisms as if it were written in code for those with "eyes to see" and "ears
to hear."
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