Solving the Somalia Piracy Problem - Debate Here...

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  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    More "neanderthal chest beating" in today's WSJ:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122731000016149251.html

    How to Deal With Pirates
    The rise of piracy is threatening international trade and raising complex questions. The only way to end the scourge is to respond aggressively, says Michael B. Oren.
    By MICHAEL B. OREN

    The attack began when an unidentified vessel drew alongside a merchant ship in the open sea and heavily armed brigands stormed aboard. "They made signs for us all to go forward," one of the frightened crewmen remembered, "assuring us in several languages that if we did not obey their commands they would massacre us all." The sailors were then stripped of all valuables and most of their clothing and locked in the hull of their own captured ship. They would be held in unspeakable conditions, subsisting on eight ounces of bread a day and threatened with beating and even beheading should they resist. "Death would be a great relief and more welcome than the continuance of our present situation," one of the prisoners lamented.

    The attack on the merchant ship, an American brig, occurred over 200 years ago in the Mediterranean during the scourge of the Barbary pirates. Sponsored by Morocco and the city-states of Tunis, Algiers and Tripoli, the pirates preyed on civilian vessels, plundering their cargoes and kidnapping their crews. "It was written in the Koran...that it was their [the pirates'] right and duty to make war upon whoever they could find and to make Slaves of all they could take as prisoners," the emissary of Tripoli's pasha told a startled John Adams and Thomas Jefferson in London in 1785. The emissary demanded $1 million from the United States -- one-tenth of the national budget -- to suspend the assaults or face losing the valuable Mediterranean trade, representing one-fifth of all American exports.

    The choice was excruciating. No longer protected by the British navy and lacking any gunboats of its own, the U.S. had no ready military option. Nor did it have international support. Jefferson's attempt to create an international coalition together with European states was summarily rejected. Defenseless and internationally isolated, most Americans were opposed to devoting their scarce resources to building a navy and instead favored following the age-old European custom of bribing the pirates -- the euphemism was "tribute" -- in exchange for safe passage. "Would to Heaven we had a navy to reform these enemies to mankind or crush them into non-existence," an exasperated George Washington confided to his old comrade-in-arms, the Marquis de Lafayette.

    Washington's frustration could well be echoed today in the face of escalating assaults by pirates from Somalia. Over 90 such attacks have occurred this year alone -- a three-fold increase since 2007 -- resulting in the capture of 14 ships and 250 of their crew members. Among their prizes, the pirates have seized a Ukrainian freighter crammed with Soviet-made battle tanks and, most recently, the tanker Sirius Star with $100 million worth of Saudi crude in its holds. These shipments are now being held off the Somali coast where the pirates are bargaining for their return.

    Superficially, at least, there are many differences between the Somali pirates and their Barbary predecessors. The Somali bandits have no declared state sponsors and no avowed religious pretext. Their targets are no longer principally American ships but flags of all nations, including those of Arab states. And they are more interested in ransoming cargoes of arms and oil than hapless sailors. Yet, no less than in the 18th century, 21st-century piracy threatens international trade and confronts the U.S. with complex questions.

    Should the U.S. Navy, for example, actively combat the pirates, emulating the Indian warship that destroyed a Somali speedboat earlier this week? Can the U.S., which is already overstretched militarily in two conflicts, afford to assume responsibility for another open-ended operation in the same area? Or should America follow the example now being set by Saudi Arabia and various Asian states which, according to United Nations statistics, have paid $25 million to $30 million in ransoms to the pirates this year alone?

    The answers to these questions can be gleaned from America's experience with Barbary. Lacking a navy and unwilling to bear the financial burden of building one, early American leaders opted to pay tribute to the pirates. By the 1790s, the U.S. was depositing an astonishing 20% of its federal income into North African coffers -- this in addition to costly naval stores and even cannons and gunpowder. In return for this tribute, America only received more piracy. Foreign corporations refused to ship their goods in American hulls and U.S. diplomats were forced to sail overseas on European-flagged ships for fear of seizure. Dozens of American sailors languished in captivity.

    Humiliated by these depredations, the American public grew critical of its feckless government and began to demand action. "Steer the hostile prow to Barb'ry's shores," wrote an anonymous poet, a veteran of the Battle of Bunker Hill, "release thy sons, and humble Africa's power." In response, in 1794, Congress passed a bill authorizing $688,888.82 for the construction of six frigates "adequate for the protection of the commerce of the U.S. against Algerian corsairs." By 1801, America possessed a navy capable of striking back at the pirates and a president willing to do so. In reply to Tripoli's declaration of war against the U.S., Thomas Jefferson ordered those frigates into battle.

    Many setbacks would be suffered by U.S. Naval forces in what was later called the Barbary Wars, not the least of which was the capture of the USS Philadelphia and its 307-man crew by Tripoli. Nevertheless, an intrepid trek by U.S. Marines and a mercenary force 500 miles across the Libyan desert -- to the shores of Tripoli -- in 1805 compelled the pirates to yield. Ten years later, President James Madison dispatched a fleet under Commodore Stephen Decatur to vanquish the remaining Barbary States. Shamed by these initiatives, the Europeans followed suit and sent their own warships to subdue the pirates, but the U.S. remained vigilant. A U.S. Mediterranean squadron -- the forebear of today's Sixth Fleet -- was kept on permanent patrol to ensure that Middle Eastern pirates never again threatened American commerce.

    Of course, the world is a vastly more complicated place than it was two centuries ago and America's role in it, once peripheral, is now preeminent. Still, in the post-9/11 period, America would be ill-advised to act unilaterally against the pirates. The good news is: It does not have to. In contrast to the refusal to unite with America during the Barbary Wars, or more recently the Iraq War, the European states today share America's interest in restoring peace to the seas. Moreover, they have expressed a willingness to cooperate with American military measures against the Somali bandits. Unlike Washington and Jefferson, George W. Bush and Barack Obama need not stand alone.

    Such a campaign will not be risk-free. The danger exists that America and its allies will become bogged down indefinitely in seeking to locate and destroy an elusive foe. The operations may also prove costly at a time when America can least afford them. Finally, there is the constant headache of maintaining an international coalition which may contain members who, like many early Americans, prefer to bribe the pirates rather than fight them.

    In spite of the potential pitfalls, an America-led campaign against the pirates is warranted. Though the Somali pirates do not yet endanger American trade, they will be emboldened by a lack of forceful response. Any attempt to bargain with them and to pay the modern equivalent of tribute will beget more piracy. Now, as then, the only effective response to piracy is a coercive one. "We shall offer them liberal and enlightened terms," declared Commodore Decatur, "dictated at the mouths of our cannons." Or, as William Eaton, commander of the Marines' march to Tripoli, more poignantly put it: "There is but one language that can be held to these people, and this is terror."

    The U.S. is no longer the fragile and isolated country it was in the 1780s. It today possesses unrivaled naval power that it projects globally and enjoys far-reaching international support for unleashing that power against pirates. And while it is true that U.S. forces are deeply committed elsewhere in the region, addressing the threat of Somali pirates must be made a national priority while there is still time. Much like terrorism, piracy, unless uprooted, will mushroom.

    George Washington wished that America had a navy capable of crushing the "enemies to mankind" -- that is, not only the enemies of the U.S. His vision is now a reality. We have only to recognize it.

    Michael B. Oren, a professor at Georgetown and distinguished fellow at the Shalem Center in Jerusalem, is the author of "Power, Faith, and Fantasy: America in the Middle East, 1776 to the Present."

    BTS

  • Jim_TX
    Jim_TX

    While I realize that I have not got as much experience in these matters as other folks who post here, I discussed this with the wife the other day, as we listened to the story on NPR radio.

    I told her, "What I 'see' when I hear about this is a 'business opportunity'."

    I figure that a resourceful ex-soldier could form a company - using out-of-work ex-military - and put a few on each ship (that pays them), and their job would be to make sure that these little speedboats don't even have a chance to hijack the ships.

    What this means - in my own simplistic vision of how things go - is that if these fellas see a speedboat coming close - blow it out of the water. No 'ifs', 'ands' or 'buts'. Plain and simple. When the others see that this is how they get treated - then they may think twice about approaching ships with their tinkertoy boats.

    I know it is a bit more involved than that - but this is how I see it.

    Regards,

    Jim TX

  • hillbilly
    hillbilly

    Jim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    they are called mercenaries! Well not anymore... for the sake of not scarin' the kids we call those folks "security consultants"

    a sharp guy like you with a phone and a puter could make a mint hookin up these "consultants" with a shippers.

    Hill

  • RubaDub
    RubaDub

    I guess my little mind can't grasp the entire situation but it seems to me that the impediment to the whole situation is politics.

    The dangerous area is susposedly about 2,000 miles long and several hundred miles wide.

    First, you create a secure "channel" ... maybe an area about 20 miles wide through which all traffic would flow, preferably 300 or more miles off the coast.

    Second, about 5 aircraft carriers (from various countries) could be stationed there, each responisible for the area about 200 miles in either direction (400 miles total).

    Third, use satellite technology (or extended radar) to pinpoint large vessels attempting to enter the "channel" from the west (Africa) and have a jet shadow them as they move.

    Finally, if they threaten another ship, use them as target practice.

    As a side note, those helicopters with the hellfire missles would also could ruin the day of a pirate ship.

    A boat, no matter how fast, is nothing compared with anything in the air. It would be like shooting fish in a bucket.

    Again, it must be the politics that prevents things from getting done.

    Rub a Dub

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    If only the Somalies hadn't learned how to distill rum, dammit!!!!

  • Mary
    Mary
    Well the pirates haven't killed anyone yet, they live in a country with no government and no food, now they are able to feed their starving families with the money they make from piracy. If YOU were in the same position, with your wife and kids starving, would you not do whatever you could to feed them?

    Believe me, these pirates are not Robin Hood and they're not holding up these ships for anything as noble as feeding the poor.......

    Though the Somali pirates do not yet endanger American trade, they will be emboldened by a lack of forceful response. Any attempt to bargain with them and to pay the modern equivalent of tribute will beget more piracy. Now, as then, the only effective response to piracy is a coercive one. "We shall offer them liberal and enlightened terms," declared Commodore Decatur, "dictated at the mouths of our cannons." Or, as William Eaton, commander of the Marines' march to Tripoli, more poignantly put it: "There is but one language that can be held to these people, and this is terror."

    That's my take. Have a couple of well-armed war ships guiding the tankers in this area and blow the pirates' ships to kingdom come if they come anywhere near the tanker. These guys don't understand 'diplomacy' so there's no point even trying that route.

  • LDH
    LDH

    The best and easiest, natch, cheapest, solution?

    Safe rooms. When a ship is in the process of getting 'boarded' by pirates, the crew will get themselves to various concealed safe rooms, where they will be able to see every thing going on in the ship and remotely operate weapons systems, including toxic gas.

    Then call for help and let the big guns come in and blow those motherfuckers to 'slithereens' as my girlfriend's son says.

    Yes we will lose some civilians this way, but we are losing them anyhow.

    Our problem is that we do not out-think these bastards, and we try to spare their lives. You could even kill a few boatloads of approaching pirates by arming the side of the ship with explosives designed to detonate OUTWARDS (yes they make them) and fry those suckers.

  • hillbilly
    hillbilly

    Remind me not to mess with LDH and Mary.............

    Hill

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    Second, about 5 aircraft carriers (from various countries) could be stationed there, each responisible for the area about 200 miles in either direction (400 miles total).

    5 aircraft carriers?

    Dude. That is serious overkill if they are American carriers.

    Besides, have you seen what other countries call aircraft carriers? Our amphibious vessels are more capable. Also, it would be a lucky chance that some of the other nation's carriers were actually in a state to put at sea, especially that French garbage barge they call a "carrier". They should keep their surrenders to terra firma. It's the world's most expensive stationary landing field.

    BTS

  • Confucious
    Confucious

    Safe rooms might be a good idea...

    But I heard that some of these prirates have those surface to air rockets (think Rambo and the $hit he used) - and they point them at the boats.

    So maybe a safe room woudn't work?

    Love the debate...

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