The Corporation

by frankiespeakin 16 Replies latest jw friends

  • DanTheMan
    DanTheMan

    I enjoyed this documentary, especially the portions featuring Ray Anderson, the southern fella who is the founder of Interface, a flooring company. Here's some of what he had to say:

    "Drawing the metaphor of the early attempts to fly. The man going off of a very high cliff in his airplane, with the wings flapping, and the guys flapping the wings and the wind is in his face, and this poor fool thinks he's flying, but, in fact, he's in free fall, and he just doesn't know it yet because the ground is so far away, but, of course, the craft is doomed to crash.

    That's the way our civilization is, the very high cliff represents the virtually unlimited resources we seem to have when we began this journey. The craft isn't flying because it's not built according to the laws of aerodynamics and it's subject to the law of gravity.

    Our civilization is not flying because it's not built according to the laws of aerodynamics for civilizations that would fly. And, of course, the ground is still a long way away, but some people have seen that ground rushing up sooner than the rest of us have.

    The visionaries have seen it and have told us it's coming. There's not a single scientific, peer-reviewed paper published in the last 25 years that would contradict this scenario: every living system of earth is in decline, every life support system of earth is in decline, and these together constitute the biosphere, the biosphere that supports and nurtures all of life, and not just our life but perhaps 30 million other species that share this planet with us."

  • hamilcarr
    hamilcarr
    you favor greater state control and greater control in the hands of a global superstate

    I'm closer to Chomsky's libertarian socialism than the shameless etatism you attempt to burden me with.

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    :I'm closer to Chomsky's libertarian socialism than the shameless etatism you attempt to burden me with.

    Obviously, you don't know the meanings of "libertarian" and "socialism." Maybe Chomsky confused you with his bloviating blather.

    Libertarianism and socialism are total opposites on virtually every issue.

    Libertarianism is about universal liberty. Socialism is about universal equality.

    Freedom and equality are sworn enemies. The more freedoms people have, the less equal they must become. The more equal people are made to be, the more freedoms they must lose to achieve that equality.

    The practice of teaching that socialist shit is now ubiquitous in schools and Universities. Guess where your beloved hero works?

    You've been duped, my friend. I just hope you grow up enough to finally realize it.

    Farkel

  • hamilcarr
    hamilcarr
    Libertarianism and socialism are total opposites on virtually every issue.

    Libertarian socialism opposes state authoritarianism and capitalism and is, by doing so, much more consistent than classical liberalism, which only demonises the former but tolerates the identical oppression characteristic of the latter. Btw, the word libertaire was first used to describe a French anarchist, whose ideology was way closer to socialism than capitalism.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    Chomsky is a good man. Farkel is wrong about him.

    The plutocracy that globalised capitalism has created is failing. I say it is time we gave anarcho-syndicalism a shot.

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    Chomsky's views on Corporate America are so johnny-on-the-spot!

    Revelation 13, anyone?

    As Brother Apostate says, "It's coming. Be prepared."

    Sylvia

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    Libertarian socialism

    Libertarian socialism is internally contradictory. Farkel is right on the money with this. Any mechanism it could use to enforce egalitarianism would necessarily be coercive, and therefore violate the libertarian non-agression principle.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle

    Here is a brief definition of the political philosophy:

    Libertarians are committed to the belief that individuals, and not states or groups of any other kind, are both ontologically and normatively primary; that individuals have rights against certain kinds of forcible interference on the part of others; that liberty, understood as non-interference, is the only thing that can be legitimately demanded of others as a matter of legal or political right; that robust property rights and the economic liberty that follows from their consistent recognition are of central importance in respecting individual liberty; that social order is not at odds with but develops out of individual liberty; that the only proper use of coercion is defensive or to rectify an error; that governments are bound by essentially the same moral principles as individuals; and that most existing and historical governments have acted improperly insofar as they have utilized coercion for plunder, aggression, redistribution, and other purposes beyond the protection of individual liberty

    BTS

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