Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 12-7-08 WT Study (EXAMINE)

by blondie 15 Replies latest jw friends

  • hamsterbait
    hamsterbait

    The example of Uzzah is a good one Blondie.

    They say that he lacked faith in God's ability to protect the Ark. Of course they don't bother to say that yet again God's annointed Darling was transporting it contrary to the specific instructions, putting it on a cart and wobbling along the roads of the time. Nobody points out that as it passed through the countryside, the men working for their families in the field, who just looked up to see what was passing were struck dead by the loving celestial non-policeman.

    In an item on Uzzah the Society said he should not have disobeyed, as there is NEVER a time where Jehovahs people need to go against specific commands to protect themselves or further his purposes. Why is this not the case with Abraham. He told the same lie about Sarah to Pharoah too. How faithful, to think he needed to lie AGAIN. Here however the Witchtower calls it a "Righteous stratagem."

    Double standards again, as seen so often in Genesis.

    Doesn't your heart warm to the WT 's stone age death god?

    HB

  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    Good job again Blondie and commenters on covering a truly TERRIBLE "lesson" !

    It starts off bad from the first paragraph:

    How do you feel about people who take a genuine interest in you? They offer an honest opinion when you invite them to do so. When you need help; they provide it generously. When you need counsel, they offer it in love. (Ps. 141:5; Gal. 6:1) Are you not drawn to such people? Well, Jehovah and his Son are just like that. In fact, their interest in you exceeds that of any human, and their motive is entirely unselfish; they want to help you to "get a firm hold on the real life." -1 Tim. 6:19; Rev. 3:19.

    Uh yeah, do you like invisible friends that give imaginary help? Jehovah and his Son (no name given here) are not "people". You can't have a conversation with them. No human, not even the GB, can speak to them and get straight answers. So don't expect Hojovah to visit you in the hospital or help with your bills or replace a flat time. So, they're going to be as helpful and loving... as Santa.

    "Their motive is entirely unselfish...?" Right. Just turn this issue of the Botchtower to P. 27 and consider the subheading "Jehovah Desire Our Best". Why his "almighty Hojovah" so loving, rich, powerful, and demanding of our time, money, and energy, but only promises help someday... very soon now? It's all rubbish, I tell you.

    Para.3:

    Lovingly, he does not dwell on minor failings.

    Of course he doesn't. That's what he's got elders for... to dwell on minor failings.

    They speak out of both sides of their mouth with two very different subheadings. Firstly, "Examined Through the Eyes of Love" shows a supposedly loving, sweety-sweet God. Later the subheading, "There Is No Secret Sin", where God is ready to slice-and-dice people for fairly minor infractions.

    Para. 6: If Hojovah is "our loving Teacher and Father," why the hell can't he explain the meaning of "this generation"?

    Para. 10 & 11: Very speculative reasoning here. No explanation of how a sacrifice can be based on "a lack of faith". Who would he be trying to impress? No explanation of why Abel was a professional herder of sheep when Jehovah and informed that man would be cultivators of the ground. Did Abel disobediently eat sheep? No reference to drinking milk or weaving cloth. In the Genesis account, it looks rather straightforward that Hojovah provoked Cain to kill Abel. If there is a lesson to be learned, it is this: You are better off to not sacrifice and stay away than to try to merit God's approval. Abel was not protected by Hojovah, and Cain was rejected by Hojovah. Wow, what a great father, eh?

    Para. 13: I felt bad for Achan. Even if you don't need it yourself, who eagerly destroys otherwise valuable property. Like Jehovah needed that stuff? And when you read the context of the account, Joshua looks like a freaking cry-baby when some Israelites are killed. In case you hadn't noticed, you have been mercilessly slaughtering people just because they aren't Hebrews.

    In the account of Ananias and Sapphira, it highlighted the failed communist utopia that was the early Christian congregation following Pentecost. Everyone with property was pressured to give it all up to the apostles... or die. How much did the couple keep? Half of the money would have been too obvious. No, they probably only keep enough for a nice dinner at Steak & Shake, then gave everything they had left... so Peter used his super-powers to drop them dead. So, now we know why the Holy Spirit doesn't work miracles anymore... Christians would use them to kill each other.

    With the picture on page 5, they pose the question, "What lesson do we learn from the example of Ananias?" A couple things come to mind. First, God is ready, willing, and able to kill Christians for any infraction. Second, if you lie, cheat, or steal and don't miraculously die from it... well, it must be okay with Jehovah.

    Oh, and good job last week, Mary ! Sorry I didn't throw in a comment, you nailed them very well without any help from me !

    B the X

  • RULES & REGULATIONS
    RULES & REGULATIONS

    BLONDIE.........ANOTHER GREAT WT STUDY!

    Notice how Jehovah doesn't dwell on minor failings in paragraph 3 and how he has shown consideration even toward unbelievers in paragraph 4 but somehow changes his attitude in paragraph 13-15. King David commits adultery and murder (which were major failings) and stays alive but Achan's ,Anania's, and Sapphira's (which were minor) dealings deserved death.

    3. Jehovah's primary interest is in the inner person-who we really are at heart. (Ps. 19: 14; 26:2) Lovingly, he does not dwell on minor failings. For example, when Sarah, the wife of Abraham, spoke less than truthfully to a materialized angel, the angel evidently saw that she was afraid and embarrassed, so he simply gave her a mild reproof. (Gen. 18:12-15) When the patriarch Job declared "his own soul righteous rather than God," Jehovah did not withhold a blessing from him, aware that Job had suffered intensely at Satan's hand. (Job 32:2; 42:12) Likewise, Jehovah did not take offense at the frank words of the widow of Zarephath to the prophet Elijah. God understood that she was grief-stricken at the loss of her only child. -1 Ki.17:8-24.

    Q 4, 5. How did Jehovah show graciousness in the way he dealt with Abimelech? 4. Because Jehovah examines the heart, he has shown consideration even toward unbelievers. Consider his dealings with Abimelech, king of the Philistine city of Gerar. Abimelech, not realizing that Abraham and Sarah were married, took Sarah to become his own wife. However, before Abimelech could go any further, Jehovah said to him in a dream: "1 too have known that in the honesty of your heart you have done this, and I was also holding you back from sinning against me. That is why I did not allow you to touch her. But now return the man's wife, for he is a prophet, and he will make supplication for you. So keep living."-Gen. 20:1-7.

    Q 13. How did wrong thinking evidently contribute to Achan's bad conduct? 13. In direct violation of God's command, Achan took spoil from the city of Jericho and hid it in his tent, likely with the complicity of his family. When his sin was exposed, Achah showed that he realized the seriousness of what he had done, for he said: "I have sinned against Jehovah." (Josh. 7:20) Like Cain, Achan had developed a bad heart. In Achan's case, greed was a major factor, and it contributed to his becoming deceitful. Since the spoil from Jericho belonged to Jehovah, Achan in effect stole from God, and this cost him and his family dearly.-Josh. 7:25.
    Q 14, 15. Why did Ananias and Sapphira merit God's disapproval. and what is the lesson for us?14. Ananias and his wife, Sapphira, were members of the early Christian congregation in Jerusalem. ' Following Pentecost of 33 C.E.. a common fund was set up to care for the physical needs of the new believers from distant lands who still remained in Jerusalem. The fund was maintained by voluntary contributions. Ananias sold a field and donated part of the money to the fund. However, with his wife's full knowledge, he pretended that he had donated the entire proceeds. No doubt, this couple wanted to gain special honor within the congregation. But their act was deceitful. In a miraculous way, Jehovah revealed the fraud to the apostle Peter, who confronted Ananias with his error. At that, Ananias fell down and expired. Shortly thereafter, Sapphira also died.-Acts 5:1-11. 15. Arianias and Sapphira did not fall prey to a momentary weakness. They schemed and lied in an attempt to deceive the apostles. Worse still, they 'played false to the holy spirit and to God.' Jehovah's response demonstrates in no uncertain terms that he is prepared to protect the congregation from hypocrites. Truly, "it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God"!-Heb. 10:31

  • oompa
    oompa
    Blondie: Reading this 2 things popped out to me. Why are brackets used in the theme scripture to insert "Jehovah"?

    (Psalm

    11:4)4 Jehovah is in his holy temple. Jehovah—in the heavens is his throne. His own eyes behold, his own beaming eyes examine the sons of men.

    In this case I dont even mind, but they could have just used the entire verse which clearly show that the "His" does indeed refer to the Jehovah in the previous sentence.......oompa

  • aligot ripounsous
    aligot ripounsous

    I would hate looking paranoid but I'm stricken by the regularity of such examples like Achan and Ananias given by the WTS at that time of the year, when people in many countries think of giving to charities so as to deduct their donation from their annual taxable income. Such examples instil in JWs' minds a feeling of guilt and fear with the idea that they should give 'liberally and without holding back the moves of their hearts" for the advancement of the kingdom interests, or else incur deprivation of Jehovah's blessing, not to mention His wrath. Such articles mainly come out between september and december each year (submitted to Blondie's research and confirmation).

  • Amha·’aret
    Amha·’aret

    Nice comments Billy. Certainly made me laugh.

    I almost hope my JW mother brings up the subject of this WT when I see her tomorrow. I'd really love to convey some of those gems to her.

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