Jehovah's Witnesses – a religion with nothing to celebrate

by eyeslice 24 Replies latest jw friends

  • AllTimeJeff
    AllTimeJeff

    After celebrating my first Christmas with my new family, I feel moved first of all to second eyeslices excellent post. I love the title, it sums it up quite well.

    Contrary to what we are fed by the borg, here is what Christmas is about for many.

    It is a tradition that started religiously, gives what is likely an incorrect traditional date for Jesus birth (biblically speaking) and had evolved in the USA as a time where friends and family can get together, share time and gifts with one another, and reaffirm the common bonds of love and friendship.

    JW's don't want humans "glorified" period. There can be only one group, and that is the Governing Body. Anything else, if it makes you happy, may also take you away from their control. (did I mention its all about control and authority?)

    Many who leave JW's at some point realize that they need to do what everyone else does, make Christmas, your idea of god, or lack therof, you own. We all need to do the work, think it through, and definitely make lemonade with the lemons we were handed.

    Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!

  • caliber
    caliber

    Eyeslice,

    It seems to me that what separates humans from other animals is our culture and traditions

    Here is a point I never quite thought of... this is what so great about JWD .. many minds make for much greater

    insight and prospective ! thank you for a great post ! .. So timely for this Christmas season .

    Cal

  • done4good
    done4good

    We celebrated Christmas as a family up until the time I was 7 or 8 years old, (when the bOrg transformed my mother into one of the collective)...

    It was an odd age to stop, just a couple years after I started school, (a mindfuck, if you'll pardon the term).

    It would be another 25 years before I would celebrate again.

    This will be my fourth Christmas together with my new family.

    Merry Christmas all!

  • eyeslice
    eyeslice

    Whatever you think of the Catholic church, I must admit they know how to perform ceremony.

    I am certain that many of those who attended Christmas mass felt a sense of belonging and connection with both others celebrating today and the countless billions of Christians who have gone before, who celebrated the birth of Christ in the same way.

    It is a feeling that I only sensed on a very few occasions as a Witness.

  • jookbeard
    jookbeard

    There is lots of things they can celebrate;Putting Faith in a Victorious Organization,Celebrating victories in Child Abuse Scandals, Celebrating light getting brighter,I could go on,

  • halcyon
    halcyon

    I attended a catholic mass last night. It was an odd feeling, and here's why:

    1) The church could hold 900 people, and the auditorium was shaped in a semi-circle and the wall colors were almost exactly the same as my old assembly hall. I felt like I was back at a Circuit Assembly, but with a bell choir and christmas lights and people in blue jeans. Except during this service, NOBODY was wandering in the aisles behind the seats. I couldn't help but notice that.

    2) The songs were mostly unfamiliar to me. We sang "Joy To The World," "Silent Night," and "Hark the Herald Angels Sing." Otherwise the songs were unfamiliar, except to those who go to that church, apparently. I must admit, the quality of the choir voices and soloists, as well as the bell choir, was extremely good. Unfortunately we arrived 15 minutes early and the only long pew available was right behind the bell choir, which meant I could hear the individual bells rather than the full, rich chordal sound. On the plus side though, I could look over their shoulders and read some of the words to the songs.

    3) There was no program or listing of the songs. About half of the people knew all the words to all the songs, but there were a whole lot of us (including the atheist sitting next to me, lol) who didn't. It was Okay to not sing, but I would have preferred to be able to sing along. I only know first lines. By the time I looked up the song in the hymnal, they were pretty much on the third verse, and then I had to dig through german and latin lines in order to figure out where we were in the song. Frustrating.

    4) The priest all but told us that Santa Clause doesn't exist! I mean, I suppose because I am a sophisticated listener, it seemed blatant to me. I wondered if there would be parents fielding questions from their "cuspers" (older kids who still believe in Santa) that night. "Mom, what did the Priest mean when he said that Santa is just a "symbol" of Christmas? And when he talked about St. Nicholas, and how if you say his name really fast it sounds like "Santa Clause ... it made it sound like Santa isn't real. Is he, mommy?"

    5) When everybody went up to take communion, it was confusing. I was second in the pew, and we had been standing for the song before, and all of a sudden the people on the other side of the auditorium started sitting down (it looked a bit like "the wave"). But since we were the first pew behind the bell choir, we were dismissed first, so I hadn't gotten to sit yet. I quickly sat, expecting the guy next to me to crawl over me. But he sat too, and so did his wife, and on down the line. I quickly whispered, "YOU guys can go! We've been dismissed! But I'm not catholic!" But they stayed sitting, and I thought, "oh no, what did I do!" All of a sudden, the grandma of the family comes crawling over all of us ... I felt so bad, I thought I had screwed the whole row up! But I learned later that the people sitting next to me were either atheist or non-practicing. *Whew!* I thought about going up for communion (they didn't seem to be questioning anyone) but decided not to. They were all drinking from the same chalice, ewww!

    6) The priest would hold up the bible (I think) to face the people as if the bible had some "magical vibes" that would bless the people. For not understanding that practice, it was weird for me. It seemed to hearken back to a time centuries ago, though, perhaps when the common people didn't read, as if to remind people of the authority of the bible by having them look at it held up high.

    7) The priest was really nice, but he absolutely sounded like he didn't believe a word he was saying. I left feeling unfulfilled. The music was beautiful, the decorations were quality, but nothing about the service ever really "moved" me, except for the one solo of "O Holy Night," and that's because the singer's voice was absolutely gorgeous!! He got an ovation afterward.

    I've been to a small-town Lutheran service the past two years. I feel more "moved" at that service, except I don't like that the musicians are bad and the choir can't sing. The sermon was also not terribly inspiring at either of those, either. The one church I REALLY like (for the pastor, he's SO inspiring!) is the United Church of Christ, but that church is almost an hour away from my house so it's not convenient to go often.

    Anyway, that's my observations.

  • jaguarbass
    jaguarbass

    To be a Watchtower salesman is a pretty hard sell.

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    Tyrone,

    :The real Grinch that stole Christmas and everything else, was a fat ass peckerhead named Rutherford. The witnesses used to celebrate things like everyone else. I always like to remind peolple of this largely forgotten Jackoff.

    I've been doing this for years, Tyrone.

    :For the Da Judge though,

    I was the one who first called him "Da Judge" on the Internet, by the way. About 10 years ago or maybe a little earlier. I know for a fact that I started that er, "trend." I'm "Da Farkel" and "Farkel" came from the late 1960's "Laugh In" and so did "Here Come Da Judge". Da Judge was Sammy Davis Jr, and Da Farkel is Judge Rutherford III.

    I used the word "dubs" before anyone else, too, I'm nearly sure. I've asked for confirmation on this, but so far no one has found someone using that term before I did. I like the term "dubs", no matter who used it first: it is descriptive, degrading and slangish and mostly it pisses off those people who think they are SO special and reduces them to the cretinous morons that they really are!

    :he had two massively expensive luxury cars during the depression, and was sleeping with Berta Peale.

    Nobody even knew who Berta was until I wrote my piece about her and Bonnie. Nobody, except her grandnephew Carl Thornton who was my source, that is. And his wife Jan, both of whom had met Berta.

    I was the one who first revealed the very real possibility of that "sleeping together", too.

    :I read that they found hairpins in his hotel rooms,

    AlanF (my good friend Alan Feuerbacher) was the first one who reported that and gave his sources for it. That was around 2003 as I recall.

    :and that he also attended burleaque clubs in Paris.

    That has been reported by several sources.

    : Why would he need any holidays? He had a great time every day. From the time he usurped Russels power by disregarding his last will and testament,

    Yes.

    : he power tripped till he finally got colon cancer from drinking too much. Must have been all that prohibition booze.

    I believe I was the first one to post his death certificate on the Internet which said he died of colon cancer, but I think Ed Gruss was the first one to publish that fact in print. That was about 8 years ago. I always said he was an "asshole" so his demise was quite appropriate.

    : I can't beleive people were foolish and stupid enough to swallow all this mans load of shit. "Hey that sounds great! Lets work for peanuts and slave for this shithead at Bethel who can do whatever he wants, while we play annoying phonographs on peoples doorsteps, get our asses kicked, work for nothing, and have all of our holidays, celebrations and reasons for living, taken away." Doesn't that sound appealing?

    Now that just sounds like sour grapes! After all, he was the most renowned "Bible Scholar" in the World! If you don't believe me, just read some of his books which said He was!

    Geeesh. Nobody gives Da Grudge a break anymore! But you just validated all the hard work I have done by merely mentioning it. Thank you.

    Farkel

  • Finally-Free
    Finally-Free

    I wonder how many JWs actually look forward to the "celebration" of the "memorial". What a privilege it is to watch dry bread and cheap wine pass you by! JWs really know how to have a good time, eh?

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    ....."I believe I was the first one to post his death certificate on the Internet which said he died of colon cancer. I was the first to put that Certificate on the Internet, I believe. .............Farkel..You have been a good teacher to many..Myself included......I knew nothing about any of that,until you showed me.....Thanks Bud!.............Clint Eastwood...OUTLAW

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