What iz so amazing to me! (page 2)

Englishman

YK's favourite dish:

Crow pie.

Englishman.

Bring on the dancing girls!

Yeah, I agree with you eddie that it's just semantics here as the WTS has always laid claim if not to prophecy, at least to correct and "new light" interpretations. How else would they still maintain such a hold over the consciences of the brothers? How would they continue to exact authority over followers? They just choose their words more carefully now.

Modus operandi for the Watchtower writing and teaching department is to filter everything through the fear of "giving ammunition to opposers." The end product sounds spinnier than a White House press conference.

If only they spent more time paying attention to what flaws their teachings actually have, rather than to cover their asses, so to speak, against "opposers", they might actually come to some better interpretaions overall. They instead just shoot themselves in the foot. Opposers needn't do anything but watch and observe this comedy, if it weren't so sad.

OUTLAW

Hey you know,you wanna talk nonsense?How about the bet you made?I have pets with more common sense.The economey was supposed to crash,it went up these last few days Dimwit!ITS STILL HERE and will out live you and your sorry organization.Are you going to pay up or are you too puffed up with false pride to admit you were wrong!..BIRDS OF A FEATHER BOINK THE GREAT BEAST TOGETHER...OUTLAW

waiting

Hey Hillary,

Does the WTBTS suggest that "prophet-like" is different than "interpreter"?

I've not read where they referenced themselves as interpreters. That would put them on the same plain as every other person interpreting the Bible.

They all say they have God's spirit and are unbiased in their interpretation......and most interpretate different from each other.

Go figure.

waiting

refiners fire

prophet/prophetlike/interpreter.
Whats the goddamn difference? you still think its God talkin when you read it.

moman

Hillary, what do they call themselves, isn't it , "Gods Spirit Dirrected Organization?"
Ask yourself what iz Gods Spirit & who do they say it flows to first? What kind of IMAGE are they trying to convey,& BUY WHAT AUTHORITY DO THEY TEACH??

Most Dubs don't even know that the "faithful & descrete slave class" have HIGHJACKED Jesus's position, az they say Jesus iz not the mediator between God & man, but the flow goes Jehovah, Jesus, Anointed & then Great Crowd!

Dictionary def. for PROPHET: 1.One who speaks by divine inspiration or az an interpreter through whom a divinity expresses hiz will.

My point iz, WHAT ARE THEM SAYING THEY ARE & by WHOSE AUTHORITY do they say they teach? This reminds me so much of the Catholic church & how the Pope waz supposed to be INFALLABLE & now they have toned that down because the followers wouldn't buy it anymore.

Get my point?
-fastone-

hillary_step

Hi Waiting,

Does the WTBTS suggest that "prophet-like" is different than "interpreter"?

Yes, as Moman's quote above shows, they did used to feel confident wearing the prophets mantle. Again public criticism and humiliation at having got most everything wrong demanded a review of their own position, which they did many years ago.

The 'interpreter' as opposed to 'Prophet', issue is vigorously defended in higher circles, even among one member of the GB whom I questioned about this issue some while ago. It was very clear that he percieved the FDS slave as being 'interpreters' and not 'prophets', and this is the line that you will get if your write to Brooklyn on the subject.

In the past they used Peter's words in Acts 2:16,17 that says in part:

'"And in the last days," God says. "I shall pour out some of my spirit upon every sort of flesh and your sons and your daughters will prophesy....and they will prophesy"'

to justify that they were 'prophet-like', in the past. Now they conclude that in speaking the words of the prophets they in a sense carrying out a prophetic work, but are not prophets and that the FDS only intepret scripture as the Spirit allows, much like the Pope's claims. They have successfully confused the issue, which is a much practiced tactic that has worked remarkably well in the past.

Sunscapes alluded to the game of 'semantics' played by the WTS. It is just semantics but does cloud the issue enough to sustain their hold on the rank & file and prevent legal problems. The argument may be simple to XJW's but these are not the ones that need convincing!

As I have frequently stated, the WTS has cunning to burn.

Best regards waiting - HS

hillary_step

Sorry Eddie,Our messages crossed.

My point iz, WHAT ARE THEM SAYING THEY ARE & by WHOSE AUTHORITY do they say they teach? This reminds me so much of the Catholic church & how the Pope waz supposed to be INFALLABLE & now they have toned that down because the followers wouldn't buy it anymore.

I agree with you exactly, and actually used the Papal illustration myself above.

They claim to interpret scripture under the power of God's Spirit, but not to utter prophecy.

For example, You Know interprets scripture, which he has every right to do. He reaches certain conclusions from Biblical prophecies and publishes them. When questioned as to how he knows these are correct interpretations, he may defend them by saying that being annointed by God gives him special insight on the matter.

Is he prophesying? No, he is not, he is intepreting and this is the very issue. Even when he claims the system will implode next Saturday afternoon at 4.00pm due to an interpretation of some aspect of Amos prophecy, this is an intepretation of that prophecy.

But, if he were to suddenly utter a statement to the effect that God has revealed to him that in sixteen months time, China will declare was on Palestine and that at that very moment everybody born in the month of April will be taken to heaven, then that is a prophecy, and one which I suggest that you test!

Best regards - HS

moman

Hillary, you sound very astute, however I feel you are missing my point.
The WT do not refer to themselves az just INTERPRETERS.
They also call themselves other illusterous names like, Annointed, Jesus's Bride, Heavenly Class, 144,000,Faithful & descrete slave,Governing Body etc.
What do you think they are conveying & what iz the INTENT using these GRANDEIOUS titles?
To me it sez they think they are higher up than even the prophets of old, yes better than a prophet such az Moses! There resurection secquence & who goes to Heaven proves that, but thats for another topic.

sunscapes

Hillary step:

Sunscapes alluded to the game of 'semantics' played by the WTS. It is just semantics but does cloud the issue enough to sustain their hold on the rank & file and prevent legal problems.

That's what I said...after I mentioned the motivations behind the semantics...totally agree with you.

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