"Something in the congregation is hindering the flow of Jehovah's holy spirit" - witch hunt JW style?

by slimboyfat 68 Replies latest jw friends

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    Has anyone else experienced something like this?

    In my mother-in-law's congregation a special pioneer was recently moved to the congregation and he gave a talk where he said he and the other elders felt there was a bad spirit in the congregation and there must be something going on that is preventing Jehovah's holy spirit from operating properly. But he didn't state explicity what the problem might be and now gossip is rife in the congregation about whether there might be a sinner or a traitor in their midst.

    For many this is just the excuse they need to gossip and bad mouth others. And it seems everyone must have a theory about what the problem is at risk of allowing their silence on the issue to incriminate themselves. Talk about a witch hunt! It's ridiculous.

    And let's face it, considering the multitude of rules Witnesses have, there must be hardly anyone who can claim to be totally "blameless" from some infraction of the rules. So on the one hand you probably have the self-righteous ones pointing the finger over all sorts of minor issues, and on the other hand lots of insecure people may be worried that they will be "found out". In fact it seems some in the congregation are gossiping about my mother-in-law and her "friendship" with a worldly neighbour. She probably has a mixture of feelings, being worried that others think she is the source of the "bad spirit" and also perhaps some insecurity because she thinks it may actually be true and she really is to blame for Jehovah's disaproval.

    I have certainly heard of the idea of a congregation having a "bad spirit" before, and the general idea about Jehovah holding people collectively responsible in some sense, but I had never heard of such a specific instance where this teaching was used to instigate an actual witch-hunt style paranoia in a congregation. Do you think it is a sort of campaign that is sanctioned from further up, or are the local elders likely creating havoc all on their own?

  • jws
    jws

    I don't really know. If it's true, it might be at the CO level, if the guy was moved to that hall.

    I've heard of this concept before. In fact, my brother and I were the subject of it. I forget the exact wording, but there was a "shunning" talk about us. Somewhere in there, there was a hint that by not shunning us, God may remove his favor from the congregation. I know I had a cassette and somewhere I did a transcript. I'll have to post it if/when I find it someday.

    All smacks of superstition to me.

  • The Missus
    The Missus

    Sounds like a bonafide WTBS witch hunt to me. They said a similar thing in my dad's congregation this summer. Apparently the congo's service hours have been low and so it was apparent to the elders that this must be result of some brothers engaging in wrongdoing and therefore they do not have Jehovah's holy spirit. I almost had to laugh when I heard this. Ridiculous.

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    This happened in my old cong. They weren't able to pay the bills, not enough donations. Elders were spreading rumors that Jehoho's spirit was being withheld because some secret sin was going on.

    Around the time I was reading about the Salem witch trials in school, and it reminded me of that.

    Then one night almost all the teenagers were disfellowshipped, disassociated, or publicly reproved. (At that time they used DA to mean DFing someone who isn't baptized.) They had a hard time finding an elder or ms to announce it because all their kids were involved, so I think they had to split up the announcements.

    I mean there were about 3 or 4 of us left, just the pimply unpopular teens who had no opportunity to sin because we were never invited to anything. Apparently it was drugs and sex.

    Oddest experience. Afterwards a bunch of old jws came up to us geeks and hugged us. I was confused why. They said, "We're so glad you weren't caught up in Satan's works." Something like that. Sad, really, they all believed it.

    According to the elders, the contributions magically returned to normal. They had purged the witches.

    hindering the flow of Jehovah's holy spirit

    Kind of like chi.

  • troubled mind
    troubled mind

    OMG !!!!!!!!!

    This brings back such embarrassing memories !!

    In 1980's our hall was going trough a rough patch because Elders and their wives had started gossip over another Elders daughter that was dating a worldly boy . It got so bad that several were deleted from positions and JC's were formed w/Elders from neighboring congregations presiding . After it was all done Bethel sent a special pioneer couple ,Elder, to "help " out the congregation . When he came he gave the identical Special talk ........

    Being young and newly married I was paranoid that our dating practices before marriage had not been honorable .I was afraid the bad spirit was because of our heavy petting !!!!!!!!!!! We had the Elder over to our house and confessed our wrongs .........You could tell we were not the "droids" he was looking for .....he actually was having a hard time keeping from laughing at us ..... Then he composed himself and thanked us for our honesty ,but said as long as fornication had not occured not to worry about it ....

    I know ...I was a very niave ,innocent little dub .....I just never wanted to gbe in trouble ......how embarrassing

  • mrsjones5
  • jws
    jws

    Maybe they could try sacrificing a fatted calf to get back in God's favor...

  • Mickey mouse
    Mickey mouse

    Ah yes, unfortunately I am familiar with this paticular brand of JW paranoiain/sanity/ utter crap!

  • still_in74
    still_in74

    ya I have seen this before.

    inevitably SOMEONE is going to ratt-fink on someone else. Then after the "bad-spirit" is weeded out the cong. will all pat themselves on the back for resisting the bad spirit and all nod their heads about how jehovah is keeping the cong clean and directing the elders.

    How about that elder in my old KH that banged a pioneer and left his wife? Did Jehovah direct him to do that? Or how about my old PO that banged another bro's wife and left his family behind? Or what about a PO in an un-named South-ON city that banged a bro's wife just recently? Did Jehovah direct that?
    Well I guess they are all DF'd so in the end the cong was cleaned right? Well I suppose then while Jehovah was cleaning the naughty PO's out he missed all the teenage masterbators & internet porn surfers. But he'll get them later I'm sure.........

  • blondie
    blondie

    Some quotes about hindering spirit in the congregation:

    *** w07 10/1 p. 30 par. 16 Deliverance From the Traps of the Birdcatcher ***When we allow personal differences to cause disunity, we have provided "the birdcatcher" a foothold. We could thus hinder the free flow of holy spirit in our personal lives as well as in the congregation. If that were to happen, Satan would be pleased because any disruption of the peace and unity of the congregation interferes with the preaching work.—Ephesians 4:27, 30-32.
    *** w85 1/15 p. 27 "Kingdom Increase" Conventions—What Rich Spiritual Feasts! ***GuardAgainstDisgracefulFolly was the title of the second drama. Effectively portrayed were the bad consequences of Achan’s greed. (Joshua, chapter 7) The drama also showed how a similar incident of disgraceful folly could impede the flow of God’s holy spirit in a congregation. How this underscored the need to do our part to keep the organization clean while guarding our own hearts against temptation!
    *** w63 7/1 p. 411 What Disfellowshiping Means ***What is the purpose of this cutting off from God’s congregation? The most important purpose is the preservation of Jehovah’s pure worship. No corrupting influence is allowed to remain. The one who practices wrongdoing must be taken out for the protection and purity of the congregation, since "a little leaven ferments the whole lump." (Gal. 5:9) If not cleared out, this corruption can block the free flow of Jehovah’s spirit to the entire congregation. Jehovah will not bless that which is impure, as was evidenced in the case of Achan. (Josh. 7:1-26) These serious derelictions can be compared to a cancer. If a body member is cancerous, the entire body is in danger. If necessary, the diseased member is amputated in order to save the rest of the body.

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