What is religion anyway? (page 3)

hamilcarr

Belief in God is not irrational.

Gullible rationalism.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/78184/1/Rationalism-and-religion

drwtsn32

Belief in God is not irrational.

That's a subjective statement. Just like all the "best" evidence to believe in a god. There is no objective, concrete evidence of his existence.

BurnTheShips

Gullible rationalism.

Read some Alvin Plantinga. Belief in God is "properly basic"

http://www.leaderu.com/truth/3truth02.html

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BurnTheShips

There is no objective, concrete evidence of his existence.

Scientifically minded people who don't want to believe in God say:

The burden of proof rests on those making a claim.
You cannot prove a negative.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

"We scientifically minded people have made these rules and have declared them correct. Therefore, based solely on these correct rules we have made, our claim that God doesn't exist, in the absence of contrary proof, is more correct than you believers claiming that God does exist until proven otherwise."

Many believers view even the premise quite differently, and insist that we have no need to prove the existence of a God beyond proving it to themselves. Personal experience is a type of evidence currently off-limits to objective sciences. So there is subjective personal experience. That is enough for me.

Carl Jung:

Science is the tool of the Western mind and with it more doors can be opened than with bare hands. It is part and parcel of our knowledge and obscures our insight only when it holds that the understanding given by it is the only kind there is.

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hamilcarr

Yes, these basic beliefs are the presuppositions of a belief system. They only slightly differ from JW axioms.

BurnTheShips

Yes, these basic beliefs are the presuppositions of a belief system. They only slightly differ from JW axioms.

Or from any axioms. Read Plaintinga, somehow I think you didn't.

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BabaYaga

Burn's post quoting Carl Jung:

Science is the tool of the Western mind and with it more doors can be opened than with bare hands. It is part and parcel of our knowledge and obscures our insight only when it holds that the understanding given by it is the only kind there is.

Perfect.

jaguarbass

Religion is what the Gods want you to believe, so you can sweat and toil all the days

of your life.

Satin tried to warn us and the other Gods exiled him to earth.

jaguarbass

The real God, I dont know what his name is, maybe Big, Kahunna, maybe you.

He cant make anything. He lives out of space and time.

But there were Angles that entered space and time Jehovah and Satin or luicifer are 2 of them

That are popular.

Jehovah wanted to trap spirits eternally in human bodies so they could work for the Gods.

Mining, building pyramids, fighting wars.

The devil who designed us rebelled and said "its not right to trap spirits forever in human

bodies.

So he told Adam and eve and they were freed.

The other Gods threw Satin out of heaven for enlightening man and diminishing the Gods

investment.

That's Gnosticism and the Occult in a nut shell.

The evil gods want you trapped in any of the many various religions they have instituted

here on earth so you remain in a trance and behave as a good pawn/sheeple.

drwtsn32

Personal experience is a type of evidence currently off-limits to objective sciences.

Not exactly. It is simply a very, very weak type of evidence. It's not bad for prompting science to look at something, but there must be higher quality evidence at some point. Anecdotes alone do not prove anything. And yes, I am speaking on scientific terms.

FWIW, these rules work when analyzing everything that affects our known universe. The only exception seems to be god and the supernatural. Special pleading, anyone?

What is religion anyway?

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