A Neglected Revenue Source For California - Marijuana

by Elsewhere 24 Replies latest jw friends

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere
    Are you really making an argument that existence of a black market means the product should be legal? I was under the impression you think of yourself as intelligent. . .

    I think the point he is making is that there is a Black Market because it is illegal. (Opposite of what you are saying)

    Just as with Alcohol, there were gangs, the mob, Al Capone, higher alcoholism and higher alcohol related deaths during prohibition. Once it was legalized all of these things went away. Crime went down substantially (No more mob or gangs), alcoholism went down and alcohol related deaths went down.

    Organized crime is only attracted to high-demand products that are illegal. When you make them legal the organized crime looses interest.

    Just as it is possible for a respectable business man to buy a bottle of fine red wine (a dangerous intoxicant) from Wal-Mart, one should also be able to buy quality and legal marijuana at Wal-Mart.

  • daniel-p
    daniel-p

    I absolutely support the legalization of the sale, use, and manufacture of marijuana. It would go far in providing much-needed tax income for the state of CA.

    Are you really making an argument that existence of a black market means the product should be legal? I was under the impression you think of yourself as intelligent. . .

    Think before you insult people. Government has no power to control people's behavior. If the market demands marijuana, it will get it. The only thing that making it illegal does, is to criminalize largely harmless behavior. And with that criminalization comes the support of a vast black market that brings much more unhealthful behavior than simply smoking marijuana. In other words, if marijuana were legal, it would be a regulated business producing a drug much less harmful than alcohol or tobacco. It would also wipe out drug gangs that bring a lot of crime.

  • betterdaze
    betterdaze

    It should to be legalized... and grown responsibly. ~Sue

    Mexican marijuana cartels sully US forests, parks

    TRACIE CONE | October 11, 2008 09:27 PM EST | AP

    PORTERVILLE, Calif. — National forests and parks _ long popular with Mexican marijuana-growing cartels _ have become home to some of the most polluted pockets of wilderness in America because of the toxic chemicals needed to eke lucrative harvests from rocky mountainsides, federal officials said.

    The grow sites have taken hold from the West Coast's Cascade Mountains, as well as on federal lands in Kentucky, Tennessee and West Virginia.

    Seven hundred grow sites were discovered on U.S. Forest Service land in California alone in 2007 and 2008 _ and authorities say the 1,800-square-mile Sequoia National Forest is the hardest hit.

    Weed and bug sprays, some long banned in the U.S., have been smuggled to the marijuana farms. Plant growth hormones have been dumped into streams, and the water has then been diverted for miles in PVC pipes.

    Rat poison has been sprinkled over the landscape to keep animals away from tender plants. And many sites are strewn with the carcasses of deer and bears poached by workers during the five-month growing season that is now ending.

    "What's going on on public lands is a crisis at every level," said Forest Service agent Ron Pugh. "These are America's most precious resources, and they are being devastated by an unprecedented commercial enterprise conducted by armed foreign nationals. It is a huge mess."

    The first documented marijuana cartels were discovered in Sequoia National Park in 1998. Then, officials say, tighter border controls after Sept. 11, 2001, forced industrial-scale growers to move their operations into the United States.

    Millions of dollars are spent every year to find and uproot marijuana-growing operations on state and federal lands, but federal officials say no money is budgeted to clean up the environmental mess left behind after helicopters carry off the plants. They are encouraged that Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., who last year secured funding for eradication, has inquired about the pollution problems.

    In the meantime, the only cleanup is done by volunteers. On Tuesday, the nonprofit High Sierra Trail Crew, founded to improve access to public lands, plans to take 30 people deep into the Sequoia National Forest to carry out miles of drip irrigation pipe, tons of human garbage, volatile propane canisters, and bags and bottles of herbicides and pesticides.

    "If the people of California knew what was going on out there, they'd be up in arms about this," said Shane Krogen, the nonprofit's executive director. "Helicopters full of dope are like body counts in the Vietnam War. What does it really mean?"

    Last year, law enforcement agents uprooted nearly five million plants in California, nearly a half million in Kentucky and 276,000 in Washington state as the development of hybrid plants has expanded the range of climates marijuana can tolerate.

    "People light up a joint, and they have no idea the amount of environmental damage associated with it," said Cicely Muldoon, deputy regional director of the Pacific West Region of the National Park Service.

    As of Sept. 2, more than 2.2 million plants had been uprooted statewide. The largest single bust in the nation this year netted 482,000 plants in the remote Sierra of Tulare County, the forest service said.

    Some popular parks also have suffered damage. In 2007, rangers found more than 20,000 plants in Yosemite National Park and 43,000 plants in Sequoia Kings Canyon National Park, where 159 grow sites have been discovered over the past 10 years.

    Agent Patrick Foy of the California Department of Fish and Game estimated that 1.5 pounds of fertilizers and pesticides is used for every 11.5 plants.

    "I've seen the pesticide residue on the plants," Foy said. "You ain't just smoking pot, bud. You're smoking some heavy-duty pesticides from Mexico."

    Scott Wanek, the western regional chief ranger for the National Park Service, said he believes the eradication efforts have touched only a small portion of the marijuana farms and that the environmental impact is much greater than anyone knows.

    "Think about Sequoia," Wanek said. "The impact goes well beyond the acreage planted. They create huge networks of trail systems, and the chemicals that get into watersheds are potentially very far-reaching _ all the way to drinking water for the downstream communities. We are trying to study that now."

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    > "I've seen the pesticide residue on the plants," Foy said. "You ain't just smoking pot, bud. You're smoking some heavy-duty pesticides from Mexico."

    This is exactly why Marijuana should be legalized, taxed and regulated. Under Prohibition alcohol was extremely dangerous because it was being made incorrectly. Some people would add things like formaldehyde (embalming fluid) to give the drink more of a "kick". Unfortunately this would kill people.

    If Marijuana was legal and allowed to be grown properly under proper regulation, these kinds of problems would go away and people would have access to safe Marijuana.

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex

    Hey if you want to balance the budget, legalize marijuana and prostitution. Then tax the hell out of both. Governments would be rolling in money.

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex
    More than 90% of us are going to be in prison, most for possessing a bottle of vitamin C or something stupid like that (or food that hasn't been irradiated).

    Th at's just silly. And inaccurate. 90% of the population will NOT be imprisoned for possessing a bottle of vitamin C. Don't be so hysterical.

    Much of the controversy relates to the way in which the Codex Alimentarius treats vitamin and mineral food supplements. Some countries categorize vitamin and mineral supplements as foods. Others, however, categorize them as drugs. Meanwhile, some countries, such as Canada, have created separate non-drug categories for these products. Opponents of the Codex Alimentarius Commission claim that it is unduly influenced by pharmaceutical companies, and that its guidelines for vitamin and mineral food supplements are unnecessarily restrictive.

    It is reported that in 1996 the German delegation put forward a proposal that no herb, vitamin or mineral should be sold for preventive or therapeutic reasons, and that supplements should be reclassified as drugs. [5] The proposal was agreed, but protests halted its implementation. [5] The 28th Session of the Codex Alimentarius Commission was subsequently held July 4 - July 9, 2005. [6] Among the many issues discussed were the "Guidelines for Vitamin and Mineral Food Supplements" [7] , which were adopted during the meeting as new global safety guidelines. [8] This text has been the subject of considerable controversy, in part because many member countries may choose to regulate dietary supplements as therapeutic goods or pharmaceuticals or by some other category. The text does not seek to ban supplements, but subjects them to labeling and packaging requirements, sets criteria for the setting of maximum and minimum dosage levels, and requires that safety and efficacy are considered when determining ingredient sources. The United Nations has stated that the guidelines are to "stop consumers overdosing on vitamin and mineral food supplements."[

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Alimentarius

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa
    Hey if you want to balance the budget, legalize marijuana and prostitution. Then tax the hell out of both. Governments would be rolling in money

    and religion.

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    lmao @ Purp.

    Big Tex,

    I saw a documentary about the history of prostitution and they showed how every time prostitution is legalized, the overall health of the population improves, organized crime goes down and abuse against prostitutes goes down (no more pimp slapping).

    The health part is because, when legal, prostitutes are bound by strict health codes which greatly reduce the transmission of STDs. Imagine if surgeons were illegal. They would not have access to proper sterilization equipment and techniques which would result in substantially greater infection rates.

    The reason legalized prostitution has such a profound affect on the population as a whole is, well, A LOT of people seek the services of prostitutes whether they admit it or not.

    Oh, and by the way... I would neeeeeeever seek the services of a prostitute.

  • Clam
    Clam

    If Marijuana was legal and allowed to be grown properly under proper regulation, these kinds of problems would go away and people would have access to safe Marijuana.

    I'm quite intrigued by the idea of legitimising the poppy crops, especially in places like Afghanistan. There's a big shortage of diamorphine and if it was utilised for medicinal use rather than burnt as an illegal crop, then wouldn't that be a step in the right direction whilst undermining a principle source of revenue to the criminals? But if say Afghan farmers were paid to grow the crop would that have an impact on the use of poppies for recreational narcotic manufacture? I don't know the answer. I know there is an increasing market in counterfeit cigarettes that are even worse for you than the "real" ones, and that there is a growing problem with counterfeit pharmaceuticals, so nothing's ever going to be failsafe.

    Clam

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    Clam,

    I was listening to NPR about a year ago when they talked about the very same idea.

    A Think Tank proposed the idea of Pharmaceutical companies buying the heroin crops from Afghanistan to solve the problem of heroin abuse and the Taliban. Two birds, one stone, everyone is happy.

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