In need of some help with quote gathering

by Eyes Open 17 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • carla
    carla

    see chart of flip flops here- http://www.4witness.org/jehovahs_witness/wtchanges.php --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------comments about the UN per WT---- "...Jehovah's witnesses recognize the United Nations as disgusting to God..." (The Watchtower 3/1/67 p. 157) "...'the disgusting thing that causes desolation'...is the United Nations." (Kingdom Ministry 8/94 p. 5-6) "[The UN] is really a 'conspiracy,' yes, a conspiracy against the precious interests of God's Kingdom by Christ." (The Watchtower 12/15/83 p. 22) "The UN is actually a blasphemous counterfeit of God's Messianic Kingdom by his Prince of Peace, Jesus Christ" (Revelation book p. 248-51) "The UN is actually a worldly confederacy against Jehovah God and his dedicated Witnesses on earth. (The Watchtower 9/1/87 p. 20) "[The UN is] 'a scarlet-colored wild beast' that is the image of Satan's bloodstained political system." (Mankind's Search for God p. 370) "There it is, the United Nations, acting in defiance of the Prince of Peace, earth's rightful Ruler, the Lord Jesus Christ..." (The Watchtower 1/15/77 p. 44) "...anti-Christ schemes for peace such as the organization of the United Nations." (The Watchtower 8/1/56 p. 462-3) "[The UN serves] as a mouthpiece for satanic propaganda." (The Watchtower 6/15/61 p. 360) "Satan has his signs and wonders, foremost of which is the United Nations organization with its headquarters in New York City." (The Watchtower 3/1/59 p. 150) "This substitute, the product of Satan's jealousy, which is a disgusting thing in God's sight, which arouses resentment in Jehovah God, which desolates the people's faith in God's kingdom and which will eventually cause their destruction, is none other than that scheme of modern man, a world association of nations, first making its appearance as the League of Nations and then as the United Nations organization." (The Watchtower 12/1/52 p. 714)

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    Stuff I compiled a few years ago:

    Contradictions

    Misquotes

  • Trevor Scott
    Trevor Scott

    I wrote an article a couple years ago that discussed the Society's doctrinal flip-flopping. Specifically, their position on the "higher powers" ("superior authorities") and the parable of the sheep and the goats. In both cases, the Society abandoned a doctrine that they had ALREADY CLAIMED CAME FROM GOD AS "NEW LIGHT" and went back to a doctrine they had ALREADY DEBUNKED AS FALSE.

    The Society's doctrinal flip-flopping is contrasted with their claim that they have not gone back to previous points of view:

    *** w81 12/1 p. 27 par. 2 The Path of the Righteous Does Keep Getting Brighter ***

    At times explanations given by Jehovah’s visible organization have shown adjustments, seemingly to previous points of view. But this has not actually been the case.

    http://www.geocities.com/thewatchtowerstudy/tacking.htm

    Trevor.

  • Trevor Scott
    Trevor Scott

    ::concrete examples of the WT saying only JW's will survive armageddon.

    *** w89 9/1 p. 19 par. 7 Remaining Organized for Survival Into the Millennium ***

    Only Jehovah’s Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the “great crowd,” as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil.

    *** w83 2/15 p. 12 You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth—But How? ***

    Similarly, Jehovah is using only one organization today to accomplish his will. To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it.

    Trevor.

  • Eyes Open
    Eyes Open

    Thanks for all your help so far everyone.

  • abbagail
    abbagail

    Wow, carl and Clam, great job! Mind boggling to see them all listed one after another... I hope EyesOpen makes it back over here to feast upon these fantastic morsels! (Update, I see they came back while I was putting this together).

    As far as: "Also need to respond to 'only JW's glorify Jehovah's name'...."

    ...the only thing any JW needs to do is turn on Christian TV and they will hear hymns and sermons that often mention "Jehovah"... That was one of the "big surprises" for me when I began watching Christian TV... it was like, "Well, I'll be... Lookie there... and the WT wanted us to think nobody else on the planet uses the name Jehovah!"

    Just a few samples below of Christian hymns that sing to "Jehovah"... (I'm dying to embed a few of these music videos, but as I stated elsewhere, the URL icon is greyed out so I cannot make use of it - ??? )... (Update, I'm trying again...)

    Jehovah Jireh My Provider - fantastic! - love that violin intro!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGTY6H6SLOw

    (Update -- OOOPS!!! Now there are FOUR of the SAME video! Yet I only see ONE LINK here, so how did that happen? Even moreso, how do I make the extra copies go away???) >> Don't mind me, I see the extras are gone now. If someone fixed it, thank you!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYlac9kB37k

    Jazz Piano version of the above same song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW3voLxf8LA

    Stayed Upon Jehovah - Wonderful Peace

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42TOeVBiDig

    The Lord Jehovah Reigns - Watts

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s79_buKi 24

    Guide Me Oh Thou Great Jehovah

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oei9Hcp5W9U - young people's choir - nice!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5m48vG2q2E - all male choir

    Halleluhia Praise Jehovah - Acapella - Church of Christ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQkjxzufwow

    Now Unto Jehovah

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HwdGUUjC84

    Jehovah is My Shepherd - Ps. 23- in Chinese no less... (meaning, it's International that Others than JWs use Jehovah's name)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhTBThqUuGE

    Jehovah Sitteth as KING- another one in Chinese...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBcUIIJOQXY

    Sing Praises to Jehovah! (Praise Jehovah!)- and another on Chinese... nice guitar...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GeV4hFpVD0

    Jehovah Tsidkenu (The Lord our Righteousness) - beautiful piano instrumental...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YfAu-dR53c

    My Shepherd Will Supply My Need, Jehovah Is His Name - Trinity Episcopal Church Choir - Fredonia, NY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1eWZ0dCX-A

    And we cannot leave out...

    Hallelujah Chorus from Handel's Messiah- it's so gorgeous, have to throw in a few choices!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4-DNfQYqEo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up3TIPoVh-M

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iXmIjpGsGc

    And wow, this next one is very cool... with a Jewish flavor in a total baritone voice...

    His name is Yahweh - sung by Joseph Shore

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coS82n9Kowk

    "Holy Land Experience" in Orlando, FL, has outdone WT with it's "dramas"...

    Ancient Festivals: Sing Hallelujah

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EMTaEXPJwg

    Another rendition of the above same song, beautiful...

    Sing Hallelujah To The Lord

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5cYgjQzb0c

    And another... - awesome, don't miss this rendition... beautiful Jewish flavor...

    Sing Hallelujah - Paul Wilbur

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t-CMhmxoVM

    O Jah, Let God Arise- Paul Wilbur

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mbTef_rzqg

    And at youtube there were many other songs with Yahweh, but this is enough to "make the point"...

    Lastly, here is a website, hymnlyrics.org, chock full of CHRISTIAN HYMN LYRICS, and I did a search at the site specifically for "JEHOVAH" and there are 18 pages of results of hymns that sing about Jehovah:

    http://www.google.com/custom?q=Jehovah&sitesearch=hymnlyrics.org&sa=Search&id=11794&username=kevron2001&id=11793&username=kevron2001&domains=hymnlyrics.org&cof=AH%3Acenter%3BAWFID%3Abc3d5f9d20266dd9%3B

  • Eyes Open
    Eyes Open

    Thanks for that, abbagail. May work that in.

  • Trevor Scott
    Trevor Scott

    ::Also need to respond to 'only JW's glorify Jehovah's name'.

    I typically make the point that "Jehovah" is not and never was God's name, so the JW's obsession with the word is really inconsequential. Many dictionaries correctly point out that "Jehovah" is simply a made up word, being the transliteration of the Tetragramaton (YHWH) using vowel points from a completely different word. Imagine stripping all the vowels out of your name and replacing them with vowels from some other word. Would it still be your name?

    Jehovah
    1530, Tyndale's erroneous transliteration of Heb. Tetragramaton YHWH, using vowel points of Adhonai "my lord" (see Yahweh). Used for YHWH (the full name being too sacred for utterance) in four places in the Old Testament in the K.J.V. where the usual translation lord would have been inconvenient; taken as the principal and personal name of God. The vowel substitution was originally made by the Masoretes as a direction to substitute Adhonai for "the ineffable name." European students of Heb. took this literally, which yielded L. JeHoVa (first attested in writings of Galatinus, 1516). Jehovah's Witnesses "member of Watchtower Bible and Tract Society" first attested 1933; the organization founded c.1879 by Charles Taze Russell (1852-1916); the name from Isa. xliii:10.

    "Jehovah." Online Etymology Dictionary. Douglas Harper, Historian.

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