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freeman

HOLD IT PLEASE:
I’m no defender of the Watch Tower by any means but lets not say things that are not 100% true or correct please.
RAND is a military think tank, but the Watch Tower has nothing in the world to do with this RAND.
The Rand in question here is: RAND Cam Engine Corp.
They are not a think tank but do have an interesting military connection. Rand Cam Engine Corp. does not manufacture any military hardware that I am aware of, however through an acquisition they do now own technology that is currently being used as part of smart bombs.
On balance it should be noted that the Watch Tower has no say in how their technology is used, and they have no voting proxy. I’m sure (I hope) they would rather it was not used this way. However it should also be noted that they do profit with each and every smart bomb dropped. The stock was a gift, and they cannot sell the stock on the open market, so the only way out for them is to walk away from it. This would mean a loss of millions in equity and future earnings.
A high price to pay? Yes but integrity sometimes requires a high price. So far they have not seen fit to extricate themselves from this situation, perhaps if their infidelity were more widely known they would receive “New Light” and sever their unholy alliance. Only time will tell.
Just my two cents
Freeman
patio34

Thanks Outlaw for starting this thread. Freeman, that was an interesting post. What is the source of your info, especially that it was a gift that cannot be sold?
Thanks,
Pat
freeman

Hi Patio,

Much of this information was on this board many months ago with all the links to the various companies involved i.e. Rand, and the company that they acquired that originally developed what became the Smart Bomb technology and all the products they made. Actually, my employer (but not my division) makes some of these very smart bombs. The technology was originally developed to give robots (cognitive-optical-discernment), the ability to see and recognize objects and act on what it sees. The basic technology was applied and refined and the now classified technology is being used right now in Afghanistan. Everything can be verified through public records.
Freeman
MadApostate

Freeman:
Thanks for clarifying some of the raised issues. However, an allegation such as the following requires PROOF:
... however through an acquisition they do now own technology that is currently being used as part of smart bombs.
Please provide documentation!
Erich

freeman:
>Actually, my employer (but not my division) makes some of these very smart bombs...<
What's the name of this employer?
(Sorry, but I'm curious...)
Did you work for this company while you were active JW ?
freeman

Patio:
I wrote all the above and just realized I never answered the one simple question you asked. I believe the subject of the Watch Tower receiving the stock as a gift was discussed in the original thread. If I recall, the voting proxy was retained by the gift giver, the original owner. This is part of the public record and as for not being able to sell the stock, I guess maybe I’m using my own limited knowledge of stock here. I happen to myself own 49% of a corporation, and my wife owns 51%. It is privately held, thus I can’t sell it on the open market. As part of the standard bylaws as drafted by our attorney, I can not sell the stock without her written permission even though I am the president of this corporation, as she holds 51% of the voting proxy.

Does that make any more sense?
MAD APOSTATE:
Thanks for reminding me that such allegations require proof, at this point in time I myself don’t need this proof and I’ll tell you why. When I read a damming write-up on the Watchtower Publication, the Evolution Book, I spent many months in my library trying to prove the critics were lying about it. I am sorry to say this, but the critics were correct, it was the Watch Tower that was being deceitful. Having found the Watch Tower to be deceitful in so many instances since then, I almost never go through all the trouble as I have in the past, I have nothing to prove to myself anymore, and I don’t get my jollies from basing the Watch Tower at every turn, so I don’t keep such proof at hand to show others.
However, when this Smart Bomb connection was a hot subject many months ago I did indeed do the leg work once again and got the proof, not to prove anything to anybody else, just to myself. In fact it may have been as far back as the old H2o board now that I think about it. If so, I still believe you can search their archives as well, but I’m not sure of the URL anymore. I suggest you ask around. If you wish to do the leg-work, you can still do this, and I would suggest that you use the search function and find the old postings, then follow the links and locate the proper public records. The info is out there, I did it myself, so I don’t see why you can’t, that is, if you really need to prove something to yourself or others.
Freeman
Dogpatch

Here is an older post rescued from H2O:
http://www.freeminds.org/h2o/283202.html
Posted by Amazing [Anointed] on September 15, 2000 at 15:58:37 {ytkgB1hrLU0hi4VK0MIQASIIcexUto}:
Hello Everyone:
Many may recall down the Board that it was reported that the Watchtower Society owned an interest in a corporation that made or designed components for military use that was used in the Persian Gulf War "Smart Bombs." (Correct me if I have erred here.)
So far I have not confirmed whether such military applications or contracts have been involved, then or now. However, after checking SEC filings in 1995 and 1992, (after the Gulf War in Feb-Mar 1992), I did not find any statement showing Watchtower ownership at that time.
Further, the "Company" was originally organized under the laws of the State of Oregon on July 27, 1992 as Sky Technologies, Inc. (After the Persian Gulf War ended.) This does not mean that the Society owned or did not own these shares prior to that date, or that their current ownership precludes that REGI now makes components or designs systems for the Military. All this means is that my information is inconclusive on that aspect.
Rand Cam Engine Corp. is a privately held company whose stock is reportedly owned 50% by The Watchtower Society, a religious organization where beneficial ownership of the 5,371,900 shares registered in the name of Rand Energy Group Inc. has been attributed to The Watchtower Society and Mr. (*) who retains voting proxy. Evidently Mr. (*) donated the shares to the Society who now owns them. While not confirmed, Mr. (*) may likely be a JW. [* I deleted the personal name of this individual because it is not essential to this discussion.]
Here are the latest figures I have confirmed:
While the corporation is 'private' it uses the NASD symbol "RGUS" for REGI US INC.
Exchange: OTCBB (Over-The-Counter)
Previous Close: 0.437 on 9/13
Volume: 0
Currency Units: US Dollar
This US Corporation is majority owned by a British Columbia Corporation based in Canada. Of the US stock, the Watchtower Society is 50% owner as of the date of the filing I read which is addressed to the Securities Exchange Commission in Sept. 1999. I am a little confused how the parent corporation could be a 'majority' owner, yet the Watchtower Society still own 50%. But that is the data as shown on the filings.
I would think that if the Society only owned a small share that was donated, it would seem inconsequential to its standing as a nonprofit religious organization. People give assets such as this all the time to religions.
HOWEVER, the Watchtower Society seems unique in that it denounces investments in the old system and its journal Awake! for many years claimed that it was 'free' to publish 'truth' because of being "unfettered" by commercial interests. In times past, the Society has even forced branches to divest interests in various profit making investments. After which, they even held Conventions where they read a resolution apologizing to Jehovah for their 'sin' and publicly repented of this 'unclean' act before all onlookers.
Now lets think about this for a minute: 5,371,000 shares valued at $0.437 per share equals $2,347,127 in stock ownership. This is just one company we know about. But, the interesting situation is that the Watchtower Society owns 50% in the US corporation as reported, even if not a 'majority' interest. Is this not a clear powerful position to influence company policy? Even if the British Columbia company holds the major role, would not a powerful voting block such as this at least help 'influence' the actions of what the company builds and sells? And even though the voting is by proxy, it is done by the person who donated the stock to the Society. Therefore, would not his votes reflect sympathy and loyalty to the Watchtower Society teachings, policies, and beliefs unique to Jehovah's Witnesses?
Interesting. What do you think? - Simply Amazing
Randy
http://www.freeminds.org
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MadApostate

Freeman:
Your reply to my request for proof sounds identical to the Masonry/Illuminati Conspiratists' reply when someone asks them to provide solid documentation of their baseless allegations.
Either you are one of that group, or you should be.
I'm wasting no time trying to prove/disprove an allegation which someone makes, but then refuses to provide any documentation whatsoever.
Eyebrow

Sorry, but I think this is TOTAL BS.
I honestly think that if a religious organization owned that much of a company that makes bombs it would raise more than a few eyebrows and be pretty easy to find articles about it.
sf

From August 2000:
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xjw-central/message/3405
From: "Raymond Allan Johnson" <rjohns80@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 1, 2000 8:52 am
Subject: Fwd: CW: The Watchtower Society Owns "A Bomb" Parts Factory!
Thanks to Kent Steinhaug to alerting me to this. Using the search engine
on http://www.tenkwizard.com/ and typing "Watchtower" into their search
engine, revealed the following:
The Watchtower Society Owns "A Bomb" Parts Factory
http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/mbs.cgi/mb1075995
"Rand Cam Engine Corp. is a privately held company whose stock is
reportedly owned 50% by The Watchtower Society, a religious
organization, 34% by James McCann and the balance by several other
shareholders. Mr. McCann has indicated that he donated the shares held
by The Watchtower Society to that organization but has retained a voting
proxy for those shares. Accordingly, in Notes (3) and (4) above,
beneficial ownership of the 5,367,900 shares registered in the name of
Rand Energy Group Inc. has been attributed to The Watchtower Society and
Mr. McCann.
The Company issued 5,700,000 shares of its Common Stock at a deemed
value of $0.01 per share to Rand Energy Group Inc. ("REGI") in exchange
for certain valuable rights, technology, information, and other tangible
and intangible assets relating to the United States rights to the Rand
Cam Engine (the "Original Engine"). REGI is a privately-held British
Columbia corporation which is 51% controlled by Reg Technologies, Inc.,
a publicly-held British Columbia corporation ("Reg Tech").
In 1995, the Company acquired an exclusive limited sublicense to market
and distribute in Canada the rights to Machine Vision Technology.
On October 31, 1995, the Company sold its rights to the Machine Vision
Technology to Reg Tech for $200,000. All obligations pursuant to the
sublicense were transferred to Reg Tech.
The defense industry has applied machine vision technology to "smart"
bombs, which use video imaging technology to identify targets through
the use of special optic sensors. The sensors feed scenic information
into sophisticated computer programs that then process the scenic
information into target location coordinates."
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Reg Technologies, Inc. - 1995 President's Report
http://www.regtech.com/press/press1995.htm
This Initial Business Plan pertains to Reg Technologies, Inc. ("Reg Tech" or
"Reg" or "the Company") acquisition and plans to market the Air Vapor Flow
System ("AVFS"), which the Company's management ("Management") represents
as an innovative fuel conditioning technology. Also included is a brief
update on development of the Company's Rand Cam technology.
http://www.regtech.com/avfs_introduction.htm
Executive Summary:
http://www.regtech.com/avfs_executivesummary.htm
The Rand Cam Engine is 50% lighter and has 2 to 3
times the power of a stratified Wankel engine,
and is roughly the same size
http://www.regtech.com/
REGI U.S., Inc. is engaged in the business of developing and building an
improved axial vane-type rotary engine known as the Rand Cam/Direct Charge
Engine (RC/DC Engine), which is a variation of the Rand Cam Rotary Engine,
an axial vane rotary engine. The Company holds the rights to develop, build,
and market the RC/DC Engine design in the United States pursuant to an
agreement with Rand Energy Group, Inc. (RAND). Each company will fund
50% of the continuing development cost of the RC/DC Engine. The Company
is controlled which in turn is controlled 51% by Reg Technologies, Inc.
http://www.irr.org/jwfacten.html
MACHINE VISION TECHNOLOGY, TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING
CAL POLY UNIVERSITY
http://airship.ardfa.calpoly.edu/vips/machine.html
Robotics Institute, CMRI Developing Machine Vision Technology
Under a collaborative research program involving Carnegie Mellon Robotics
Institute, CMRI's Applied Advanced Technologies Group (AAT) has produced a
new advance in automated vision technology: the development of hardware
for a spectro-polarimetric machine vision system for use in intelligent
transportation systems.
http://www.cmu.edu/cmri/adm_mv.tech.html
Fundamentals of Machine Vision Technology
http://www.assemblymag.com/articles/1998/Mar/0398arc4extra.htm
How to find a needle in a haystack
http://www.online.nf.ca/industry/howtofin.html
McCann-Erickson
With billings of more than $18.5 billion and operations in 127 countries,
McCann-Erickson WorldGroup is the largest marketing communications network
organization in the world. It is built on the foundation of
McCann-Erickson's
almost century-long history as an international-minded advertising agency.
McCann, for example, first expanded with owned agencies out of its U.S.
borders into Canada in 1913, into Europe in 1927, into Latin America in
1935 and into the Asia Pacific region in 1959. Look at: Global Clients
Note: James McCann, no specific connection, need more research!
http://www.mccann.com/
Index of the Watchtower Society and the Occult
http://home.online.no/~jansh/wteng/a-z.htm
Facts About the Jehovah's Witnesses
(The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society)
Institute for Religious Research.
http://www.irr.org/jwfacten.html
Historical Information about the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society
(Jehovah's Witnesses)
http://www.freeminds.org/history/history.htm
The Watchtower Tries To Censor Us.. --and Loses !!
http://www.gayxjw.org/censor.html
The Watchtower Victims Memorial
http://www.abaweb.com/WATCHTOWERvictimsMEMORIAL/welcome.html
What Is a C-U-L-T?
http://www.xjw.com/whatcult.html
KORESH AND THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY
http://www.caic.org.au/jws/koreshjw.htm
FAST SEARCH: The Watchtower Society
http://www.ussc.alltheweb.com/
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U.S. bill aims for order on CIA
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Why America Tolerates a Psychopathic Chief Executive
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