Example of Brainwashing Proves WTS Is A Cult!

MadApostate

After reading Puppylove's post, "A Sad Example of JW Brainwashing /Twisted Thinking", and hearing very familiar comments, I have decided to relate an experience I had a few days ago, which I am leary to relate since the key factor severely limits the JW population of "possibles". (Details are purposefully sketchy to protect my identity.)

A JW, who usually avoids me like the plague, placed themself in a position of being alone with me for a few hours due to their greedy desire to obtain something free. I gladly provided the free service, since I had every intention of taking advantage of my captive audience.

Pre-1975, this JW was my primary field field service partner for a couple years, and I easily recall numerous occasions when we spent hours or entire evenings discussing our common belief that Armageddon was going to occur in 1975, followed by the new system. I know for a fact that we both taught such to our Bible Studies back then.

I tactfully allowed the conversation to flow until I was able to ask some questions about current WTS goings-on. After allowing the answers, I asked whether the WTS's position regarding the UN had changed, reminding the JW of all the long, boring studies we had in the "Babylon" and "Mystery" books. When the question was answered "negatively", I then brought up the NGO fiasco.

The JWs initial reaction was not shock or surprise at learning the fact that the WTS had become a NGO, but rather outrage at me, questioning ONLY if I had learned such from "APOSTATES"!

I deflected the charge by offering to pull up the UN website and prove such, but the JW would not hear of it, and changed the subject.

I waited awhile until they cooled down some, and decided to raised the fact that the WTS had taught that Armageddon would likely occur in 1975, since I knew, or at least figured, that this was something we could both agree on.

The JW's response totally floored me, considering the background I previously related.

The JW went into what seemed to be a "canned" rant that the WTS never taught such, but that "maybe" there were some "APOSTATES" who back then were only serving Jah to a date, and had misinterpreted what the WTS really taught about 1975. The JW flatly stated that they had never believed such themself.

Frankly, I was speechless- considering what I had experienced with this person. I didn't even challenge their comments about their own beliefs and conduct pre-1975, nor did I bother going any further with the WTS conversation.

What I did think at that point was that this JW had proven beyond any doubt to me that JWs are a CULT.

There is no other explanation for someone in that JW's position to be convinced of the things that they now are convinced after having the personal experiences that they have had.

For any readers who might dismiss this as just unique to some dumb, stupid, braindead JDub, allow me to disclose the key factor:

This brainwashed JDub is now a PHD!!!

refiners fire

If you are interested in expanding your mind in the direction of understanding WHY he denies he ever held his previously held belief,
I recommend a book unto you,"The Great Terror" by Robert Conquest.
(Pimlico publishers) Its all about how Joe Stalin got apostate Communists to confess to crimes they never committed.Very insightfull.
The upshot is, these people are absolutely so DESPERATELY DESPERATE to believe their belief system, that they will do ANYTHING to hold their belief. Even turn their own heads inside out.
Actually I recommend a reading about Soviet communism to anyone on this board. Many of the parallels in methodology between Russian communism and the Jehovahs are...SPOOKY!But then, they were both building organizations at the same time in history, maybe thats where the methods were at ,at that time.

TweetieBird

I remember a public talk about a year ago and the brother stated from the platform that "Jehovah's Witnesses never said that Armageddon was coming in 1975." I was floored. I looked around to see if anyone else had the same reaction as me and they were all sitting there, nodding their heads in agreement like, "that's right, we NEVER said that."

Those articles in the WT since 1975 saying that it was just over-anxious brothers reading more into it than what was really said has sure paid off. Their brains have not been washed, they've been sucked completely out of their heads.

one

M.A.

PHD?

In what field?

I was close to a person who has a master in mathematics (pure). It makes me sick, really, talking to the person for 2 minutes.

jw (and many others) mind set is one reason i have not ruled out 'spirits' totally, i have not found a logical explanation for their behaivor.

lack of education (ironic) in one form or another is my only explanation so far.

one

things you can not touch can affect you in many ways, wheter you want or not.

temperature
sound
light
magnetic fields
many forms of radiation, including from cellular phones...!

what else?

Satanus

Mad

Enjoyed your story, and so true. Here is another one.

We know that in wt dogma, the sin against or denial of gods spirit is defined as unforgivable. In 2 or 3 of his books, j f rutherford said that since the coming of jesus, the office of the holy spirit ceased to be. All its functions were replaced by jesus, after his coming. Thus he denied its action on himself. I photocopied these pages and showed them to my brother, sister and mother, reminding them of what the unforgivable sin was. I guess they were overloaded, and have likely erased from their memories by now.

SS

Tammie

That sounds like a JW. My mom asked my why I felt like I had to leave "Jehovah's orgization". Her exact words. So I told her, I think we talked close to 40 min. to an hour. Everything that I said, this was her response. It was either:
1. Blaming it on my husband. (Which he had nothing to do with my leaving.)
2. I got it from an apostate site. I guess getting information from the bible or any of their past literature is apostate. Then the JW's are calling themselves apostate. What do you think?
3. No one is perfect. We all have our flaws. (That was when I was talking about the judgemental, unloving attudes I saw in several congerations. (I been in attendance of nearly 20 congerations, with my time in the borg.)
4. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST. EVERYTHING YOU SAY TO A BRAIN WASHED JW, BOUNCES OFF OFF THEM LIKE A RUBBER BALL BOUNCES OFF A BRICK WALL.

Klaus Vollmer

hi folks, your experience is exact the same I have.
Today there are elders on the platform speaking that 1975 doesn't origin from the soiciety but from some JWs who were to fast in their mind.....
And I remember there is an utterance of the society I guess in the 1980 yearbook (maybe earlier) just in the beginning about page 30-40 where they agree that they have some guilt in the 1975 thinking.
Our CO was very open on the platform, when I dsicussed this with him privately before the meeting and told him that some brothers deny the 1975 case he integrated into his speech that the "1975 hope did not grow upstream but downstream".
I think that people are very much hurt in their conscience and mind, in their personality. They seem like to be raped that it is a mechanism of protection to deny the real situation.
Indeed, some have taken place on the chair of Moses, on the chair of Abraham, rejecting the conscience of anybody, demanding an own righteosness.
But the trial begins in the house of the Lord and I am convinced that those in the ivory towers will get their full measure.
Lets be patient and look what future will bring

Wash me - but don't make me wet

MadApostate

Thanks everyone for your comments. It is likely that most of us here have had similar conversations with JWs with whom we were formerly associated, with precisely the same reaction.

I know that this is not the first time that I have had this conversation with a former friend, and receiving the exact same reaction and denial speech.

Of course, the point of posting such redundancy was that this particular conversation involved a highly intelligent, highly educated JW who has been associated off and on for many, many decades, and who experienced first hand everything associated with 1975.

I've seen this person's response from others whom one would expect to deny what happened; folks who weren't around in '75, folks who are easily persuaded for various reasons, etc.

However, I absolutely never anticipated that a person with this background to fall prey so completely to WTS brainwashing and rewriting of history.

Again, this was one of those personal moments for me, that I can't effectively communicate to others, that convinces me beyond a doubt that the WTS is not only "a" cult, but that it is "THE CULT", which sets the standards that all other cults seek to attain.

Pathofthorns

These moments are incredibly frustrating. You are almost stunned at how seemingly educated people have lost the ability to think and reason and recall anything acurately.

As far as seeing all of these matters clearly for what they are, it almost seems as if the mind is locked by key. Once it is opened again, these individuals see everything clearly; it just takes so much work to get them to that point.

Nothing IMO is more effective than persistant conversations. Don't underestimate that your friend will be thinking about all of this when he leaves your company.

The advantage educated JWs have is that they are more easily able to leave the movement because they are less dependant on dreams and promises than others who have placed complete hope in this cult.

Path

Example of Brainwashing Proves WTS Is A Cult!

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