Is sin an act or a state of being?

by easyreader1970 22 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • AllTimeJeff
    AllTimeJeff
    No, this is more of my attempt to understand religious logic, if there is any. It doesn't have to be limited to JW beliefs per se; that is just the one I am intimately familiar with. I am assuming most Christian religions follow the same line of thinking.

    Cool... Good luck trying to discover logic behind "sin", as I haven't heard one good argument for sin.

    I see a lot of fear associated with it, which is why sin/fear is such a powerful control mechanism. I mean, if you drank the theistic kool aid, who would want to burn in hell? And you tell me that I don't have to if I confess Jesus?? Sure! Sign me up...

    If only it were that easy. The retribution of god has never occurred in regards to sin. Sorry..... And as I constantly say, a weaker god punishes, a more powerful god heals. If that god somehow exists, (the healer that is) then sin isn't a problem for me....

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    I thought Jebus absolved everyone of sin.

    Doesn't that mean that no one has sin anymore?

    If so, then why do people still die?

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    As Blues Brother brings out from WT literature, SIN is defined by religion.
    Generally, SIN is what is between Man and Heaven (or everlasting life).

    Dismiss God or Heaven or everlasting life or religion and you can dismiss SIN.

    We are not (IMO) born into SIN. We make mistakes, but so do the animals.
    They were not born into sin. Neither were we. If you want to take away the
    religious meaning, we sin against our fellow humans when we do things to
    hurt them. We sin against our spouse when we are unfaithful. We sin
    against our brother when we steal from him.

    thefreedictionary.com says:

    sin

    1. A transgression of a religious or moral law, especially when deliberate.

    2. Theology
    a. Deliberate disobedience to the known will of God.
    b. A condition of estrangement from God resulting from such disobedience.

    3. Something regarded as being shameful, deplorable, or utterly wrong. We have to drop the first and second definitions, the most used, to reach
    a definition that fits without religion.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Sylvia

    According to the story, it was god who sentenced them to death. It was god who kicked them out of the garden, and made the ground grow thorns for them. He gave the childbirthing pain to eve. Not adam.

    S

  • IP_SEC
    IP_SEC

    I thought Jebus absolved everyone of sin.

    Doesn't that mean that no one has sin anymore?

    If so, then why do people still die?

    Im pretty sure a christian philosopher somewhere already thought of that and made up some tripe to cover it which christians swollow HL&S

  • dinah
    dinah

    If I AM SIN, shouldn't I be having alot more fun?

  • parakeet
    parakeet

    Both. It's a sin-sin situation. Thanks a lot, God.

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    Go back and read Genesis again.

    At NO TIME does it even suggest that humans were ever meant to live forever.

    By eating from the Tree of Knowledge, humans figured out how to become immortal. The god of the bible, out of fear, prevented humans from eating from the tree of life in a plot to prevent them from becoming immortal.

    Gen. 3

    22 Then the LORD God said, (W) "Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand (X) and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—" 23 therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden (Y) to work the ground from which he was taken. 24 He drove out the man, and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the (Z) cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life.

  • Twitch
    Twitch

    If you're lucky, both,.....;)

  • AllTimeJeff
    AllTimeJeff

    From a Christian power perspective, here is the deal with sin. Jesus died for our sins. Our sins = death. The answer for this is the power of Jesus sacrifice, conveniently administered through the clergy... Or elders at your local KH....

    Now, take away the concept that you sin. What happens to the necessity of the Christian riutal sacrifice?

    There is no need for it, and there is no need for them.

    Thus, the clergy, and all administrators who rely on Christianity for their living, have a vested interest in making sure that you understand that you are a sinner, in need of the redemption that they offer/sell.

    Paul summed it up best (from the NWT)

    (Romans

    7:7-12) . . .What, then, shall we say? Is the Law sin? Never may that become so! Really I would not have come to know sin if it had not been for the Law; and, for example, I would not have known covetousness if the Law had not said: "You must not covet." 8 But sin, receiving an inducement through the commandment, worked out in me covetousness of every sort, for apart from law sin was dead. 9 In fact, I was once alive apart from law; but when the commandment arrived, sin came to life again, but I died. 10 And the commandment which was to life, this I found to be to death. 11 For sin, receiving an inducement through the commandment, seduced me and killed me through it. 12 Wherefore, on its part, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

    Interesting that even Paul acknowledged that without specific direction, he wouldn't view certain actions as sinful. Is it man or god who teaches that these actions are sinful? And what is the motive of those who claim to act as gods spokemen? All very valid questions, and in my experience, the answers aren't all that encouraging....

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