Catholic Church Revives Indulgences

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  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    In Wittenberg, Germany, Martin Luther is turning over in his grave...

    According to church teaching, even after sinners are absolved in the confessional and say their Our Fathers or Hail Marys as penance, they still face punishment after death, in Purgatory, before they can enter heaven. In exchange for certain prayers, devotions or pilgrimages in special years, a Catholic can receive an indulgence, which reduces or erases that punishment instantly, with no formal ceremony or sacrament.
    There are partial indulgences, which reduce purgatorial time by a certain number of days or years, and plenary indulgences, which eliminate all of it, until another sin is committed. You can get one for yourself, or for someone who is dead. You cannot buy one — the church outlawed the sale of indulgences in 1567 — but charitable contributions, combined with other acts, can help you earn one. There is a limit of one plenary indulgence per sinner per day.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/nyregion/10indulgence.html

  • Doubting Bro
    Doubting Bro

    And Ted Jaracz is wondering how to fit this into the JW theology! Maybe if you aux pioneer during the memorial season or help with a quick build? Better yet, "contribute" your estate when you die to the WTS.

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    Having been raised Catholic, myself, and going to Confession, doing penance, living in fear of purgatory, which was called limbo as well. Either our family was in a sense already trying to get indulgences, .........praying on behalf of dead loved ones, paying like a dollar to light a candle in the church is one way if I remember correctly. You pray for them to be able to leave purgatory. I think the reason Catholics are so giving is they believe this buys their way into heaven, it's all crazy.

    Confession was a way to wipe the slate clean, confess your sins, do penance and you were clean enough to partake communion. If you saw someone in the church not go take communion, they were either not Catholic or felt unclean, unworthy to take communion.

    Catholics don't know for sure when someone dies if they go to heaven or not, they do leave that up to God, hence the reason for purgatory.

    Pictures of people floating around in purgatory, dead looking, screaming to get out, not knowing if they were on their way to heaven or hell, was pretty scarey to me. Probably about as scarey for JW's livng in fear of Armeggodon. I was glad to learn from JW's that when you were dead, you were not conscience of anything anymore.

  • sir82
    sir82
    living in fear of purgatory, which was called limbo as well

    I never was Catholic, but I recall studying about it. I seem to recall that there was a difference.

    "Purgatory" was where you went to "burn off th esin", as it were. With enough time and/or prayers from others, you'd get out eventually and go to heaven.

    "Limbo" was where all the babies who died prior to their baptism went. I don't think they could ever get out (but I don't recall for sure). It wasn't a place of suffering, but did not have all the perks of heaven either.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    MYTHS ABOUT INDULGENCES

    Myth 1: A person can buy his way out of hell with indulgences.

    This is a common misunderstanding, one that anti-Catholic commentators take advantage of, relying on the ignorance of both Catholics and non-Catholics. But the charge is without foundation. Since indulgences remit only temporal penalties, they cannot remit the eternal penalty of hell. Once a person is in hell, no amount of indulgences will ever change that fact. The only way to avoid hell is by appealing to God's eternal mercy while still alive. After death, one's eternal fate is set (Heb. 9:27).

    Myth 2: A person can buy indulgences for sins not yet committed.

    The Church has always taught that indulgences do not apply to sins not yet committed. The Catholic Encyclopedia notes, "[An indulgence] is not a permission to commit sin, nor a pardon of future sin; neither could be granted by any power."

    Myth 3: A person can "buy forgiveness" with indulgences.

    The definition of indulgences presupposes that forgiveness has already taken place: "An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven" (Indulgentarium Doctrina norm 1). Indulgences in no way forgive sins. They deal only with punishments left after sins have been forgiven.

    Myth 4: Indulgences were invented to money for the Church.

    Indulgences developed from reflection on the sacrament of reconciliation. They are a way of shortening the penance of sacramental discipline and were in use centuries before money-related problems appeared.

    Myth 5: An indulgence will shorten your time in purgatory by a fixed number of days.

    The number of days which used to be attached to indulgences were references to the period of penance one might undergo during life on earth. The Catholic Church does not claim to know anything about how long or short purgatory is in general, much less in a specific person's case.

    Myth 6: A person can buy indulgences.

    The Council of Trent instituted severe reforms in the practice of granting indulgences, and, because of prior abuses, "in 1567 Pope Pius V canceled all grants of indulgences involving any fees or other financial transactions" (Catholic Encyclopedia). This act proved the Church's seriousness about removing abuses from indulgences.

    Myth 7: A person used to be able to buy indulgences.

    One never could "buy" indulgences. The financial scandal around indulgences, the scandal that gave Martin Luther an excuse for his heterodoxy, involved alms-indulgences in which the giving of alms to some charitable fund or foundation was used as the occasion to grant the indulgence. There was no outright selling of indulgences. The Catholic Encyclopedia states: "[I]t is easy to see how abuses crept in. Among the good works which might be encouraged by being made the condition of an indulgence, almsgiving would naturally hold a conspicuous place. . . It is well to observe that in these purposes there is nothing essentially evil. To give money to God or to the poor is a praiseworthy act, and, when it is done from right motives, it will surely not go unrewarded."

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    "Purgatory" was where you went to "burn off th esin", as it were. With enough time and/or prayers from others, you'd get out eventually and go to heaven.

    "Limbo" was where all the babies who died prior to their baptism went. I don't think they could ever get out (but I don't recall for sure). It wasn't a place of suffering, but did not have all the perks of heaven either.

    yeah, that sounds right, been a long long time since I have been exposed to all that. So, purgatory was the waiting place to heaven, not to heaven or hell?

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    I don't think limbo was ever an official teaching. Purgatory is the place where those bound for heaven go that are not yet in a state of perfect grace.

    BTS

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    In Roman Catholic theology, Limbo (Latin limbus, edge or boundary, referring to the "edge" of Hell) is an idea about the afterlife condition of those who die in original sin without being assigned to the Hell of the damned. Limbo is not an official doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church or any other. Medieval theologians described the underworld ("hell", "hades", "infernum") as divided into four distinct parts: hell of the damned (which some call gehenna), purgatory, limbo of the fathers, and limbo of infants.

    The Limbo of Infants is a hypothesis about the permanent status of the unbaptized who die in infancy, too young to have committed personal sins, but not having been freed fromoriginal sin. Since at least the time of Augustine, theologians, considering baptism to be necessary for the salvation of those to whom it can be administered have debated the fate of unbaptized innocents, and the theory of the Limbo of Infants is one of the hypotheses that have been formulated as a proposed solution. Some who hold this theory regard the Limbo of Infants as a state of maximum natural happiness, others as one of "mildest punishment" consisting at least of privation of the beatific vision and of any hope of obtaining it. This theory, in any of its forms, has never been dogmatically defined by the Church, but it is permissible to hold it. Recent Catholic theological speculation tends to stress the hope that these infants may attain heaven instead of the supposed state of Limbo; however, the directly opposed theological opinion also exists, namely that there is no afterlife state intermediate between salvation and damnation, and that all the unbaptized are damned. [ 3 ]

    The Limbo of the Fathers (limbus patrum) was the abode of people who, before Jesus' Resurrection, had died in the friendship of God, but had to wait for Christ to open heaven's gates. This concept of Limbo affirms that one can get into heaven only through Jesus Christ but does not portray Moses, etc., as being punished eternally in Hell.

    210. What is purgatory?

    Purgatory is the state of those who die in God’s friendship, assured of their eternal salvation, but who still have need of purification to enter into the happiness of heaven.
    211. How can we help the souls being purified in purgatory?
    Because of the communion of saints, the faithful who are still pilgrims on earth are able to help the souls in purgatory by offering prayers in suffrage for them, especially the Eucharistic sacrifice. They also help them by almsgiving, indulgences, and works of penance.
  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    Thanks Purps. Like I said, limbo is/was a theological idea (I meant Limbo of Infants), but never a dogma. The other Limbo is where the souls of the righteous awaited Jesus. Google "Harrowing of Hell", I think there is a Wiki on it.

    BTS

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    I do not remember "Harrowing of Hell" but I do remember this .......The Apostle's Creed.

    Wow, while looking around, It is bringing back so many childhood memories of the Catholic religion I had forgotten.....sorry for getting off topic but i had to post this as I remember having to learn this.

    I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
    the Maker of heaven and earth,
    and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:

    Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
    born of the virgin Mary,
    suffered under Pontius Pilate,
    was crucified, dead, and buried;

    He descended into hell. [See Calvin]

    The third day He arose again from the dead;

    He ascended into heaven,
    and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
    from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

    I believe in the Holy Ghost;
    the holy catholic church;
    the communion of saints;
    the forgiveness of sins;
    the resurrection of the body;
    and the life everlasting.

    Amen.

    *The word "catholic" refers not to the Roman Catholic Church, but to the universal church of the Lord Jesus Christ.

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